Posts by Person01

Quote from StanGIDLE

I like them, but they never had a hit on the charts. I think the closest to a hit was "Love me like this" it reached #11 on the charts . Their average peak chart position is 71.

I am unsure how much it matters because they have a stable fanbase and their fans buy their albums and attend their concerts.

The groups is very talented, but I feel jyp does not market them the right way.

The problem is most of that comes from them being from JYPE, they are doing the bare minimum, and any girl group that JYPE debuted would have done those numbers.

I don't think JYPE spent all the money and time training them to get an average result. Even though, the fault is with JYPE for having no idea what they were doing.

They are signed to what label?

Of course they are heavily inspired, the industry will always copy the most successful group of each generation.

Quote from soshilovelife

If I really like the group, I don't care about the fandom.

That is the sane way to enjoy kpop.

Yes, all fandoms are the worst, especially the ones from big groups.

If only the group could call out their fans bs without losing money.

Quote from number-one

kind of ironic people used to say girl groups carry JYP, but now Day6 dominate in Korea and Stray kids internationally

One interesting point is that both make their own songs and are more involved with the artistic direction of the group/band.

Confirming, JYPE creative team have no idea what they are doing most of the time.

At this point, they should give the girl groups a budget and see what they come up with. I doubt it would do worse than what they get from them.

The cult hysteria will intensify, great.

Quote from KHonest

I mean the company is profitable AF. Why not debuting another group.

Muuuuuch more profitable than your faves.

The new groups are supposed to replace the older groups, but I honestly don't see any of them being able to generate the revenue that Stray Kids and Twice are bringing.

Twice in the 10th year, they are still more popular and profitable than any other girl group of theirs. This is not a good sign.

I think it is due to the lack of good foreigner trainees, otherwise makes no sense, since having non-Korean members work so well for twice.

When will JYPE get exposed?

Quote from NmiXXSupremacist

I wonder, in the case of Nmixx sales are fake. Why JYP didnt make the same for Itzy? JYP is done with idols who cant sing?

Every kpop group has a degree of fake sales, but some have way more than others.

The problem is not having fake sales, the problem is having fake popularity.

Quote from Minazuki

It wouldn't matter If the huge album sales were a reflection of a big fandom for the girls, but they aren't.

They aren't selling tickets in arenas, much less stadiums. The fans aren't streaming neither internationally nor domestically, their last release numbers were closer to Fifty Fifty's re-debut than other 4th gen BIG4 groups on Spotify, for example. They aren't getting opportunities through a big fandom either, such as CFs/Endorsements. The album sales are just... there. And I don't even know If they are getting the $$ when they aren't even composing the songs.

The problem is people trying to compare their numbers directly to other groups without considering the different tactics and gimmicks they use to get these numbers.

Because, as you pointed out, they don't have this massive fandom that the album's sales would suggest.

Quote from bubble-head

I don't think JYPE lost the most, look at YG

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Quote from chaelisayadom

well if the numbers are real, then nop I guess, the point is making money, the way their making is not

The whole point of these kpop groups is trying to make them as successful as possible. It's not about making some money, it is about making the most money.

When the company cannot do that, there is something wrong, especially when you come from the Big 4.

JYPE needs the next twice, the same way they will need the next stray kids. They need that big group for media play proposes.

Even the investors a staring to doubt JYPE's ''strategy''. From the big 4, JYPE is the one the lost the most value for the past 6 months.

JYPE will be the one making the most from all those albums sales, the girls will just get a fraction.

Besides, with hit songs, they would have double those numbers.

Quote from jimeous

With this Comeback, NMIXX has passed 4 million album sales, you don't need to be a genius to not know that YGE and TBL would love to have NMIXX under their Labels

That's not what OP asked.

Quote from Wateris

BM, the hype and views for their debut alone stole anything NMIXX even Meow recent teaser done.

Teddy name alone seems isn't enough, and the members so far not that interesting compared to BM.

Teddy is directly responsible for the success of YG's biggest groups.

I doubt YG without Teddy will be able to make top groups anymore. From now on, they will have to rely on being one of the big 3.

The groups won't flop, but won't get that massive following like BB e BP had.

It's not hard to guess, Meovv will have the hit songs, and of course, the YG styling, which means BP 2.0.

They won't have the massive following from the beginning, but they will get there in a year, maybe two.

Quote from Varenka

But there's still a chance. They just need to strike gold once. If they do, they can climb back up. They might need to take a page out out of the SNSD playbook to do it though: concept change. Just switch it up and see where it goes. Read the room, maybe even lead the room.

No, there isn't though, they are in JYPE...

Quote from jimeous

They would be more than happy with their situation because their groups are earning big money and their profits reflect that.

The main way most new groups make money is through album sales, and I don't know if you noticed, but Nmixx sales haven't been spectacular as of now.

Quote from jimeous

I never said having popular songs was bad, I was saying that being obsessed with Song Rankings is the wrong way to "value" a group especially a JYPE group where JYPark puts more emphasis on Album Sales. Wondergirls and miss A had the Top Song rankings but their Album Sales were so low it meant less money to risk on having Solo Concerts.

And twice would never be as profitable as they are without those hit songs at the beginning of their career. So yeah, song ranking still is the most important aspect to measure a group's profitability and longevity. And JYPE is not exempt from that rule.

Besides, what better way to sell a lot of albums than having a couple of hit songs?

Quote from jimeous

Expectations are normal, the company's being the most important, in an area where popularity helps boost sales it's long term fans which will sustain Idol's. Creating Fan Content such as the Series that their Korean Idols release is aimed at core fans rather than the masses.

Sure, and the ther big companies do the same while being able to make catchy songs for their groups.

Quote from jimeous

However, unlike SME or YGE, JYPE invested into inhouse Music Production through JYP Publishing and with their current building, they have their "Music Factory" which include 9 Dance Studios, 18 Vocal Rooms, 7 Producing Rooms, 11 Recording Booths and 2 Mixing Rooms.

After all, the music still pretty mid, with a few exceptions here and there. Maybe they should have done what all the other big companies did.

Quote from jimeous

TWICE and SKz have earned hundreds of millions for JYPE but it's JYPE's system that will outlast them after those groups eventually leave. Also, I have never said that JYPE new groups are doing better than those 2 groups.

So instead of debuting a couple of a tier groups, JYPE brilliant strategy is just debuting a bunch of mid-tier ones, because that is somehow better, and surely very intentional.

And no, the system won't outlast those two groups, since they are the ones funding the majority of the groups in said system.