Posts by NaomiBlue

Quote from omegateatimer

exactly, people should just calm down and stop being so angry over every little thing that takes some time.

Yeah, it's really fascinating to watch - as BTS becomes more untouchable the obsessed attacking of BigHit just gets louder and louder. Fans of any other group or act (western or kpop) deal with much worse business decisions, but the acceptance somehow that BH is somehow sabotaging Bangan is crazy when we have endless proof of the opposite.

So interesting that their perceived weak point is their company, curious how this is going to play out as the complaining and freakouts get louder. I just wish ARMY would stop literally playing into the hands of antis and doing exactly what they want.

These performances are taken down (not deleted) per contract if the agency doesn't buy the rights to them. This is true for every artist.

The Original Fallon performances were down for a bit but are now back up.

BH is a business - this is not a defense, it is a fact; if the cost to keep these perfs on Youtube is much more than what they can make from them there's no point even though they're popular among GP. BTS has MANY points of entry for new fans.

This is another BIGHIT IS THE DEEEVILLLL movement - but it's misinformed, BigHit now clearly tries to negotiate the right to post the videos themselves directly as much as possible. Dynamite era perfs are on BangtanTV.

I think the freakout is ridiculous, it's always the same accounts stirring this up, and the increased Enraged Sheep characteristic of ARMy is concerning. We're becoming extremely easily manipulated lately.

Quote from HopeOnTheStreet

But that's exactly what are you doing. You are baiting with BS.

Army, let's stop this baiting, OP is clearly just trying to waste our time. Let this thread die, ain't worth it.

Agreed it's fun poking them but it's not really developing into something interesting!

Quote from dmammoth

I would not say I'm mad, no; tremendously disappointed by your sympathy with Big Hit. Yes, you guys' attitude and behavior in this thread show that you are indeed enabling these practices by Big Hit and even to the point of promoting these practices. Again, I don't really fault you because you have been conditioned by Big Hit to be taken advantage of.

So... now you're going to explain to us what 'these practices' are that are so dastardly that you are now overflowing with concern? *looks at watch* Specifics, friend.

Quote from dmammoth

Listen, I'm here to help. Yes, I am not a crazed BTS fan; but I do like their music. But these moves by BTS's parent company are a cause for concern for both consumers and sellers alike with regards to this industry. Trust me, I have no animosity towards BTS, but what is right is right. And they have to stand up to this, if only to treat their fans better than this.

Heh I love ppl who 'help' by treating everyone else like an idiot child. That doesn't work very well, FYI.

You keep referring to the original post when ppl point out the obvious, but the issue remains that your argument has a glaring hole that you have not addressed and can't avoid:

What is this mythical 'this' to which you refer? You're talking about this issue as one of absolute moral imperative but you actually haven't laid out an argument for why this is a morally important issue or how just via album prices consumers are being taken advantage.

You don't have to buy BTS albums, or any merch, to enjoy BTS. No one listens to the CDs, we just buy bc they're pretty and it's fun. There is no obligation. BTS and BH gives us tons of free content. The fan culture does not think you have to buy BTS stuff to be ARMY. Expensive albums with fancy packaging have been a kpop thing for forever.

BigHit isn't even close to the biggest player either as a content provider or an agency in Kpop. CJ ENM (and Kakao) Take those awards by far. So you can't argue BH is some serious threat to the independence of the industry when CJ has eaten up smaller companies like candy and will probably keep going. SM has far, far more talent on its books.

So you need to lay out 1: Why album prices, which are no higher than others in kpop, are a moral concern of any sort and how you can use 'what's right is right' in this case

2: Why what BH is doing is in some way 'concerning', and more so than what CJ ENM has done.

If you don't, you just seem to be making random, emotional claims without any facts to back it up.

Quote from dmammoth

See: Original Post.

See this is what I mean. Boring! Be more interesting. Make your case, let the pages build.

Quote from dmammoth

Goddamned shame, really.

"Ohh but nobody is putting a gun to our heads to make us buy it, you anti-! We buy what we want!!"

Yeah, that's how they want to make you feel. You've been conditioned by Big Hit. While the members of BTS just stand by and look in apathy, even though they made Big Hit what they are today. shaking my head all around

Hello, randomly angry, insulting person getting too worked up abt album costs and business moves (that you don't appear to understand) of groups you don't even stan! Your mean rage sound familiar.

But seriously - you're crap at faking like you really care and your moral outrage is real, are too uptight? Successful trolling has a rhythm, a flow, and you're no fun.

Take a deep breath, unclench, work on a tone that makes you sound like you actually do have concern about what things cost and the fate of poor, delusional fans. When ppl push back don't go straight to insults and snarling, fake like you're being reasonable for a little bit longer. Let the conversation build up, frustrate ppl and give other haters who want to agree with you things to work with and boost. It's easy, you can do it!

I like reactors I can learn things from, so Joey Nado for production (when he does them), Video editor reacts (he's a goof and sometimes dramatic, but teaches a lot on video editing)

Free Action like someone else said, good for Korean reaction

Korean MV Director reacts, him and his AD and editor react together and very interesting

Quote from jangmi08

I don't know how to describe his voice...is it "deep"? :D

I also can't stand him. His reactions screams "ass kissing" even though he praises my faves.

There's one music producer I really like, Blake McLain.

He is no bias at all as he doesn't have any favorite and doesn't react to Kpop exclusively.

He just listen to the song or album and comments about technical aspects.

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I really like blake as well, I watch his western reactions bc I learn a great deal about music from him! He's very technical and honest.

As others have said all stan cultures can be toxic, but I think a particular issue with kpop is it seems to take the worst of western music stan culture and the worst of Korean idol stan culture and marry them into a messy-ass alliance of competition and rage.

Western culture is all about drags, owning, flexing, memes, and slamming the music and talent of the competition. It's a pitched battle half the time and brutal abt perceived quality and authenticity. It can get real mean.

Korean idol culture is about intense parasocial relationships, ownership of the idols and a sense that 'this is their job, and if that includes putting up with stalkers, haters, and no love life, that's what it is', obsession with hierarchy and who's on top, comfort with entitlement bc of company (more hierarchy) and visuals/'impact' above music. Maintaining illusions is not a bad thing.

Mix those two together like kpop does - I think this is partially bc of ARMY, as the bulk are originally music GP and BTS is the biggest gateway into the scene - and you get an unholy mix of brutal online war western style and it's constant quality drags with the very constructed, surface-illusion obsessed style of kpop fandoms and it's just a dumpster fire at times.

I don't think there's one certain fandom; I just in general have a vendetta for the melodrama and using emotional manipulation (and generally lies) to win arguments. And the fact that Kpop overall tends to have a reality problem.

Also anything that turns BTS into childlike puppets in their own careers and ignores what they tell and show us.

Quote from ill-pray-4-u

If it's about the distribution of BH's own music, of course they'd have a majority of say.
In anything else in YG plus, they'll have a voice but no actual power in anything. The only time 18 percent is worth anything is when no person or group owns more than 50 percent of the company.

That's not actually true; this whole discussion depends on factors that honestly we're not privy too, since we're not aware of the exact details of how decisions will get made.

I think that's what I take away after reading more: Neither of us are right because we honestly don't know. 18% could come with say in many things or it could come with very little. It hinges on the agreements we're not reading.

We're all just spitballing.

Quote from lizvip

ONLY when it comes to their own artist.

YGE shares +YHS shares make them.the main shareholders of the company and they will not let any one have a say in the distribution of their artist.

Sure, I haven't seen that clarified but it's possible. I was responding to someone claiming that BH wouldn't have say in YGplus as a whole.

That's not how the info scans at all.

Quote from lizvip

If you search older info , is because BIGHIT is looking to create their own distribution company, YGE have done the same.before the agreemet will last 5 years and if does not continue YGE will pay the investment back and will get their stock as well.

This is not something YGE have not done before.

Got it, but that doesn't leave out that BH will have some say in YGplus in the exchange.

Quote from hueningkaiskai

dont worry

bts and txt are men so its okay

I laugh but it's a sad laugh, because yeah. YG's treatment of their female artists is something else.

Quote from lizvip

YGPLUS is owned by YGE and NAVER as a whole.

They corrected the info amd said that is from YMS not YHS, 18% does not giv ethem the control of the company considering the other

Are in NAVER & YGE (YHS) control, and it explained is for 5 years only.

Similar to what YGE have done before, when they ladt year returned the invesment of a company that did exactly what BH is doing.

The 5 years is the distribution agreement only, not the stock exchange.

BH getting 18% percent of YGplus is not a time-sensitive thing, those stocks will fully be owned by BH, it is a full acquisition of those stocks. That number of ownership will give BH a lot of say in the company.

What You're talking about in the past was an investment, not stock acquisition.

Stock purchase and investments are very different.

Quote from sheryllee3

from what I’ve heard, YGplus is solely responsible in distributing YG artists albums and merch so in the end of it all they get full profit since they don’t have to share it with other companies. Nothing bad really, there were some hiccups with BlackPink albums since this was YGs first million seller album but I’m pretty sure they will get better with distributing albums in the future

Thank you, makes sense! Looks like YGplus really is the distributing/marketing/etc umbrella, it'll be interesting to see what that means over time.

Quote from Skyliv

Imo, I doubt BH will have a say in the control of YG plus. It is BH who approached YG plus for the deal. YGE is not stupid to give BH some level of control over YG plus.

This is basically about distribution.

Yes, BH will, it's a joint partnership where BH owns part of YGplus. 18% is a large stake. They'll have lots of say. Those shares are from those owned by YGE and the brothers.

No because Glam wasn't even fully BigHit's; they only did the music and content, they were technically managed by Source. (Bang + the Source founder are very close friends)

Bang PD was always focused on his self-producing boy group and was developing them at the same time as Source developed Glam. Glam debuted in 2012, he'd signed up most of BTS in 2010-2011.

Quote from ForgottenSoul

Doesnt sound bad but YG dealing with distrubution?

Does YG have a bad distribution history? I haven't paid attention!

I think that it'd actually be huge if the music was good and the video fire (and it would be; BH and BTS are perfectionists, and both groups are so charismatic)!

On the fan thing, ppl here are forgetting that the reason both groups are so successful is because most of their fans aren't big online stans but instead casual or are fans more quietly. Sure, AKP + Twitter would burn, but most listeners couldn't care less what happens in these spaces and in the Fanwar Trenches. Those types are loud, but they're not the majority.