I remember someone in this forum made a thread likening their concept to prostitution (and it was allowed to go on for several pages). I have been into / known about kpop for 15 years and I've never ever seen any group get so much hatred and vitriol before and at debut like Aespa did.
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QuoteConsidering their upcoming performances, finding a clear way to overcome any controversies regarding live singing is essential.
Did they consider..... VOCAL LESSONS?
this is actually pissing me off. How can the company and the idols themselves be aware of the issue but not pursue the most obvious, most logical and direct solution? I'm no expert but even I can tell that making the idols cry about it in a documentary won't solve the problem. Nothing will solve the problem except for the idols actually showing improvement.
At least I hope that they're indeed getting vocal lessons behind the scenes and we're just not aware of it. Otherwise the fact that they're actually knowledgeable about the exact problem and thinking about solutions but not considering the most obvious one is appalling.
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I guess they are taking a page from YG's book. YG used to do that a lot. I remember them pairing up 2NE1 against SNSD in 2014 (Comeback Home vs Mr Mr), it reached the point where even when SM posponed SNSD's comeback, YG postponed 2NE1's too to make sure they'll still overlap lol. they also pulled the same trick the next year with Big Bang's Made vs EXO. it doesn't matter which group was more popular or successful but from YG's perspectiven pitting his top groups against SM top groups sparked fans' competitiveness which made them work harder to outdo the other fandom, not to mention the competition's effect on media and the general public.
the mere suggestion that, say, illit or any other new gg was "going against" Aespa will get people's attention and curiosity, which will make people check them out and increase the chance of new fans liking them and buying their music. it is a time old practice to make your groups come back around the same time as the most popular artists, to maximise attention by proxy. just the mere fact a top group ir performing in a music show potentially increases the viewership of the show
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Or start our own company
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If you want to be angry with me, at least be angry for the things I have said and not make thing up. You are way smarter than that and I know it well.
All I said is that I found it entertaining and funny. And I didn't stop anyone from saying whatever they want. But I got angry quotes about it as if I prohibited anyone from saying what they wanted. Even this is funny if you think about it.
If there's someone not standing others express themselves, it's not me.
Because it's dismissive and condescending, not to mention the implied hypocrisy of the people reacting negatively to this issue. The reactions would be the same, were it any other kpop company, but I highly doubt that then you'd be here talking about how hilarious it's that people would "show outrage".
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And for the 2nd time I tell you the difference is this time, for the first time ever, there's actual evidence. So there's no room for debate whether fans are overreacting and making up conspiracy theories. Armys cried about that shit for for nearly an entire decade but you can't stand seeing people be indignant for 2 days over the knowledge that their faves were trashed AND sabotaged by hybe. They should just shut up and move on because YOU don't think this is new or unique enough?
As for the rest of the whataboutism, there's absolutely nothing shocking or hypocritical about people being interested in a CURRENT scandal that's literally still ongoing as we speak.
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That was such an unnecessary, petty, meanspirited thing to do that basically amounted to kicking somebody when they were already down but you couldn't say it back then because everyone wanted to lynch a 16 year old girl.
Le Sserafim doesn't deserve hate but it's so interesting how they did this and it was funny but Danielle cutting off Eunchae got her death wishes. Same fans that cheered them on mocking a girl that just lost her dreams in the midst of one of the worst hate campaigns I'd ever seen (probably on Sources orders) expects NewJeans to let their careers be ruined to protect LSF's feelings.
I assure you that this had absolutely nothing to do with a bias toward either gg. The exact same people would be hating LSF instead was it them and their sub label that went against hybe. And I also assure you 100% that THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE would be demanding the public lynching of everyone in the company's management if this were SM, YG or any other company, but especially those first 2.
Sadly morals and principles of always take a second place to fandom shenanigans and petty rivalry.
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To me it's entertaining because I have been into kpop for such a long time that I have seen things go full circle. In the past when other companies did the same, kpop fans never took it seriously or they even made fun of such things.
Obviously, Hybe deserves every single criticism and seeing them getting humbled warms my condescending heart but it's still funny to see the way people react.
It's obtuse and disingenuous to act like this reaction isn't largely due to the fact this is literally the first time in kpop history we got to see actual documents of this practice - the so called viral marketing, market evaluation and interference with rival companies and groups-
Yes, we all knew kpop companies have most likely always done this, but it has always been a speculation, an open secret; something everyone knew happened but could neither prove or refute with absolute conviction. This time however, we're looking at the irrefutable evidence and the actual reports with our own eyes.
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One thing I’ll say is SM Stan’s better stay hella quiet when y’all idols directly spoke about how much shit they had to hear before being selected for the group. Like sm idols were shamed publicly in front of their peers and staff and endured weekly elimination before they got selected in their groups like stfu about SM being better 😭😭😭😭
This is me @ my TL but I can’t say it there for reasons
You can always say it in my DMs bestie
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So NewAhLe means New Jeans, Illit and Le sserafim?
Why exactly do they hate New Jeans so much? They're their most successful gg. Is it because the group was managed and produced by a woman and doesn't reflect Bang's ideals so he can't take credit for their success?
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Forget about other company groups, Hybe set up every single one of their own groups either by angering their fans or setting them up against other groups in a way that WILL get them dragged. So if any hybe stans still choose to defend the company, it's clear that's become a matter of ego. Imagine how embarrassing these people think it would be to admit after an entire year that they picked the wrong side to support in this fight between hybe and ador? Especially that this wasn't a normal or ordinary choice between 2 equals with equal standing, nope, these mostly adult, grown ass fans genuinely picked the side of a conglomerate against a bunch of teenaged girls. I'm sure to them, doubling down with their support will be much more dignified than admitting how awful they've been all along. So expect more gaslighting and deflecting in the coming days. Atp, not even hybe directly attacking their own favs will get these company stans to turn against hybe.
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Imagine unsuspecting groups agreeing to do challenges with hybe groups, being all friendly and cute, only to get mocked and trashed by hybe's staff. This is hurtful to those groups, humiliating and embarrassing to the hybe group in question and it might ruin the relationship between those groups or at least make it awkward, not to mention its effect on the fandoms and the dragging txt will get as retaliation.
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[theqoo] THE MOST EVIL THING THAT HYBE DID OUT OF ALL THE NEGATIVE FORCED VIRALITY MOMENTS THEY CREATED
- DKZ is f*cking shocking, f*ckㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ- Sabotaging major groups is pathetic enough, but honestly, sabotaging a small group like DKZ makes them look even worse
- DKZ are honestly a bit too much
- Are they (not doing?) DKZ because they only have 4 employees?
- I never imagined HYBE would be involved in doing negative forced virality against DKZ
- Are you saying HYBE really tried to sabotage DKZ?
- What the? You're telling me that HYBE has DKZ under check?
- Why are they doing negative forced virality on DKZ right now
- If DKZ is being targeted, then pretty much any idol group in South Korea could have been a target
- Wasn't DKZ formerly "DONGKIZ"? Are you really human to be doing negative virality against them?... They are from such a small company. This is pissing me off
- They have DKZ undeer chek. this is too much
- It's shocking that DKZ was included in their internal report
- Doing this to DKZ is too much, f*ck
"Title: Why are they doing negative forced virality against DKZ?
Are they psychopaths?
Comments:
- Taking even the liver of a flea (T/n: Korean expression meaning to exploit or take advantage of someone who has very little or to be excessively greedy)
- Because they were HOT-Category-idols here
- They are just stepping on everyone
- Just the fact that the company's employees are DC-bugs.... seriously, I don't get it
- Because they were so popular on TheQoo
- They did that because they were rising stars
- For real, they really went to the HOT Category on TheQoo a lot"
DKZ
DKZ is the group that has Jaehan, who starred in Semantic Error. Recently, it was revealed that DKZ was involved in a 'negative forced virality' case (I didn't bring up the part about DKZ from the internal report because it was too full of hate comments).
The shocking part is that even though DKZ is a small, very small company idol group, it was basically revealed that HYBE, a huge corporation, was relentlessly attacking them once they started gaining popularity and frequently made it to trending topics.
"Look at DKZ's practice room at that timeThey were dancing in that (small) place"
They also filmed their self-made contents there
It's said that they only have a few staffs
original post: here
1. Seriously, I remember them randomly getting so much hate. HYBE really seem like f*cking psychopaths
2. My biases, f*ckㅜㅜ
3. Crazy, DKZ? Their office is underground and even got flooded no? And even calling them "middle" sized company makes me feel sorry. HYBE is f*cking too much, seriously
4. Why do this to kids??????
5. Seriously, they are just f*cking evil. And if small company idols miss their chance, this would've been buriedㅠㅠㅠ
6. This breaks my heart
7. Imagine doing this when they were once a small company themselves. They are honestly horrible
8. This is too much...ㅠ Bangtan also experienced hardships and had similar experience....
9. Hul? Are they crazy? This is too much
10. At least leave the small companies out, ughDKZ about to get their Supernova
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Yeah... It's that exact behavior that I'm referring to when it comes to fake Armys. They weaponize real issues and use BTS members as pawns for their own agenda.
They have zero respect for the fellas' cultural identity and values. They'll praise BTS for being the nation's pride, but say all sorts of condescending, racist things about South Korea (and other parts of Asia). They hate on other K-pop groups and make racial microagresssions towards them.
As an Asian American myself, this stuff hits home. Circa 2018, I remember BTS, the film Crazy Rich Asians, Asian Olympic athletes, and other Asian media popping off. I was trying to get into acting and modeling on the side, so I saw firsthand the boom of offers and opportunities for us. Unheard of during prior years. I was also finding myself and trying to embrace my Asian identity more during this time, so seeing the positive representation really helped.
So I'll always respect BTS and other Asian acts who pushed the boundaries and challenged perceptions.
However, these fake fans completely miss the point if they use BTS to hate on other Asian groups such as NCT, BLACKPINK, and Stray Kids while giving western artists a pass and seeing the western market with rose-colored lenses. It just comes across as elitist, pretentious, and Eurocentric.
You summed it very well. It was closer to tokenism than actual stanning. It was mind boggling to me seeing those people casually throw around the term "south career" and lament about how bts should stay in America forever because of how bad South Korea is, and not see how xenophobic that actually is or get called out for it?
So although I agree with what you're saying in theory, imagine sorry but I don't think it applies in this case. At least no as much as you're insinuating. I've been here for years and I've never once seen any army call out their fellow fans for their blatant xenophobia, nor for their bullying of other kpop groups and fandoms in this forum. The people you labeled as good fans were actually forum friends with the ones you called fake fans and rarely called them out for ANYTHING. I have once reported an army - whose name I can't recall- for objectifying BP members in such a disgusting manner, they were banned temporarily but when they came back they were welcomed with open arms by their fellow forum Armys (even though I made sure to let everyone know what they did and brought it up repeatedly until a mod told me to stop doing it since that poster had already received their punishment). It was an eye opener about how, for many people, fandom loyalties trample over even basic morals.
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Fake Armys would brag about BTS advocating for mental health, paving the way for Asia,
Lmfao you reminded me of that moron who made a thread about his bts were shouldering the anti Asian hate on behalf of all Asians and then went on for long pages fighting with actual Asian posters and trying to gaslight them into thinking they weren't experiencing real Asian hate and that they weren't grateful enough to bts for ending racism.
It was a dumpster fire thread befitting of the dumpster fire section
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I went ahead and unbanned your previous account so you can move your Akorns over. Or if you wish, you can just use that one and transfer your current Akorns. It's your call!
ISaidISaid Same goes for you. I noticed you have some old badges on your old account, so just let me know which one you plan to use so I can transfer badges.
The forums owe butterbutterfly and me 50k akorns. We used that amount to buy the NCT guild, now that it's gone you should return that money to us as the only remaining nct fans around
