With the way IVE is going they’ll become the top 4th gen group and I’m confused as to why people haven’t caught on yet

I mean people are so confident in thinking skz will stay most popular 4th gen kpop int and aespa most popular gg

First of all eleven alone outcharted longevity wise all of skz songs, and love dive although peaked lower than maniac already has wayy more longevity in Spotify, and is doing way better on all other international charts

As for aespa, yea they got Korea and China, just like twice has Korea and Japan back in the day, but I’ve has pretty much everywhere else plus does good in Korea too just like bp. With the way I’ve charting they are growin* faster than aespa al ready and it’s only a matter of time till they surpass aespa like bp did to twice in 2020

Please don't jinx them with such threads

bp also does better than twice in Korea and yes Aespa has NL but Ive is in overall doing better than Aespa in Korea now

IVE had a higher peak on Billboard than SKZ though. People haven't caught on yet because they are company stans and are in denial that a gg is doing better than big4 groups. Doesn't that sound familiar? But each day and each achievement it becomes more crystal clear, at some point will be impossible to deny. Their summer comeback will obliterate any doubt.

"Way more longevity in Spotify" is exaggerated, no?

Fastest to surpass (in 4th gen) >

10M: MANIAC (6 days)

20M: MANIAC, Love Dive (14 days)

30M: Love Dive (21 days) / Maniac was 25

40M: Love Dive (30 days) / Maniac was 38

Love Dive is doing better, I agree. But WAY MORE longevity, at least, not for now.

On the hand, Stray Kids is doing way better with the b-sides and IVE's b-sides streams aren't good. So album-wise they will keep doing way better for by long marge, unless IVE blow up to something closer to BLACKPINK's level.

I'm not saying they won't surpass Stray Kids international popularity never, but Stray Kids also has been growing in a fast pace, so only time will tell.

whatever

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"Way more longevity in Spotify" is exaggerated, no?

Fastest to surpass (in 4th gen) >

10M: MANIAC (6 days)

20M: MANIAC, Love Dive (14 days)

30M: Love Dive (21 days) / Maniac was 25

40M: Love Dive (30 days) / Maniac was 38

Love Dive is doing better, I agree. But WAY MORE longevity, at least, not for now.

On the hand, Stray Kids is doing way better with the b-sides and IVE's b-sides streams aren't good. So album-wise they will keep doing way better for by long marge, unless IVE blow up to something closer to BLACKPINK's level.

I'm not saying they won't surpass Stray Kids international popularity never, but Stray Kids also has been growing in a fast pace, so only time will tell.

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Disagree. This is what we talk about when we talk about longevity:

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Disagree. This is what we talk about when we talk about longevity:

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Comparing longevity in Spotify Global Charts isn't always fair, because It depends of the releases in the moment, how many streams they are making and how they are placing above.

For example, sometimes one song is doing better streams than other, but then Drake releases an album of 30 tracks in the week of the song that is doing better. They maybe will not place as high as the one doing less.

I'm not saying Maniac's has better longevity, but It's more fair judging streams quantity.

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"Way more longevity in Spotify" is exaggerated, no?

Fastest to surpass (in 4th gen) >

10M: MANIAC (6 days)

20M: MANIAC, Love Dive (14 days)

30M: Love Dive (21 days) / Maniac was 25

40M: Love Dive (30 days) / Maniac was 38

Love Dive is doing better, I agree. But WAY MORE longevity, at least, not for now.

On the hand, Stray Kids is doing way better with the b-sides and IVE's b-sides streams aren't good. So album-wise they will keep doing way better for by long marge, unless IVE blow up to something closer to BLACKPINK's level.

I'm not saying they won't surpass Stray Kids international popularity never, but Stray Kids also has been growing in a fast pace, so only time will tell.

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B-sides charting is a sure sign of fandom streaming. IVE is not even a year old group, will take time for a fandom to grow compared to SKZ which started in 2018 (but already has predebut contents since 2017). SKZ is not growing at a fast pace, it’s growing surely and steadily.

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B-sides charting is a sure sign of fandom streaming. IVE is not even a year old group, will take time for a fandom to grow compared to SKZ which started in 2018 (but already has predebut contents since 2017). SKZ is not growing at a fast pace, it’s growing surely and steadily.

But while It doesn't happen, SKZ overall streams per era are still far ahead. If OP doesn't like how It is, maybe It's better comparing them to groups as young as them.

And I disagree about the last sentence, they've been growing fast since God's Menu.

Just want to point out that IVE is also strong in China and Japan as well, not just Korea.

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But while It doesn't happen, SKZ overall streams per era are still far ahead. If OP doesn't like how It is, maybe It's better comparing them to groups as young as them.

And I disagree about the last sentence, they've been growing fast since God's Menu.

Maybe that’s because IVE has one bside per single album which where performer once respectively, which is why most people don’t know they exist? It’s actually pretty simple logic. I‘m sure that IVE‘s overall streams would be better if they released a shit ton of songs like SKZ do, no need to act ignorant about it.

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Maybe that’s because IVE has one bside per single album which where performer once respectively, which is why most people don’t know they exist? It’s actually pretty simple logic. I‘m sure that IVE‘s overall streams would be better if they released a shit ton of songs like SKZ do, no need to act ignorant about it.

But you also can compare to one single b-side If you want. Unless you believe IVE's b-sides will be reaching over 40/30/20M in few months like SKZ's most popular ones. I'm not rooting for them don't, but It's just like It is now.

Their catalog has less songs for people who are interested in them to focus, so the streams of their b-side from december should at least be higher than Oddinary's less streamed b-side If they really have a strong catalog that would challenging SKZ with the same amount of songs.

Lol at the skz fans coming here when their faves release albums not singles so of course their besides will have way more streams! That's logic

I'm in this thread for the meltdowns

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Lol at the skz fans coming here when their faves release albums not singles so of course their besides will have way more streams! That's logic

I'm in this thread for the meltdowns

No that's the opposite of logic. Someone who wants to listen to IVE will have 4 songs to choose from to listen to; someone who wants to listen to SKZ has 100+.

It really shows how the top 3rd gen groups dominated, and still dominate. It started out Twice first, Blackpink second, Red Velvet third. And then when Blackpink took over in first it was just as obvious.

4th gen fans are going to keep trying to claim some random future point for their faves...

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IVE had a higher peak on Billboard than SKZ though. People haven't caught on yet because they are company stans and are in denial that a gg is doing better than big4 groups. Doesn't that sound familiar? But each day and each achievement it becomes more crystal clear, at some point will be impossible to deny. Their summer comeback will obliterate any doubt.

jyp stans dgaf about skz, your post produce group are not the underdogs you want them to be

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Lol at the skz fans coming here when their faves release albums not singles so of course their besides will have way more streams! That's logic

I'm in this thread for the meltdowns

But IVE two b-sides streams are bad. They can release an album with 20 tracks and If all of they are between 6m and 3m like these ones, then they will still have less streams in albums than the bgs. That's logic.

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jyp stans dgaf about skz, your post produce group are not the underdogs you want them to be

Don't be ridiculous. Debuting in big3, be it YG, JYP or SM, gives far more exposure and a guaranteed future than debuting in Starship regardless of having exposure media prior to that. Of course a company stan or big3 group fan would pretend they don't know this. As if IVE isn't the only post produce group that is actually successful when there was several attempts in the past, and as if other ex-Izone members aren't flopping. Yall literally said that IVE's first comeback would flop because of the Produce curse, I saw this everywhere on anon section when Eleven was successful, now look how cute the narrative is changing because the prediction went backwards. Kpop stans are trying to compare being a post produce group member to being a big3 idol now. IVE's impact.