Let me shake the table...... JYJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TVXQ

It’s true, I thought this is generally agreed on? If not for scandals and sm sabotaging they’ll be waaaay ahead

Yeah, JYJ members are more talented and were more popular than TVXQ. They are still doing great when you take in that SM is sabotaging them. It says more than enough.

ignoring scandals then that can be debated

including scandals then tvxq wins

At the end, they were better together (for me)

tvxq >

No

In committing crimes and not paying their employees? Sure

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but that would be a TIE!!

but for now lets talk about talent

In what world?

TVXQ one of the best kpop groups to ever exists, constant with good releases