Hey so BLACKPINK didn't use AI

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But do you know that using AI for creative media equals stealing from real artists? In order to create anything AI has to be "fed" with other people's artworks, not to mention the company could've hired real video artists to create it too. BP are musical artists, would you also say it's okay if other people stole from them to create music, because you're excusing the use of AI in this MV?

I didn't mean to comment here but AI in any form of art is so so bad for real artists who spend endless hours on honing their craft and actually creating, nothing can excuse it.

YG might have as well created a slightly different MV or schedule the filming much earlier, it wasn't impossible. Them creating an MV without AI doesn't mean the girls would have burned themselves out, it's just a matter of better planning instead of taking the easy route.

Edit: I also want to add that it's easy for people to say it's okay or that they don't care if they don't make a living out of creating art and that living isn't risked by the growing use of AI. I'm not an active artist myself but I clearly see how bad it is and it's stealing from other people.

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Actually, you're right, I stand corrected because just this morning, I watched a video claiming that in some scenes, BP themselves looked AI generated which confused me but I can now see that only the background really used AI.

However, I normally wouldn't excuse the use of AI.

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Actually, you're right, I stand corrected because just this morning, I watched a video claiming that in some scenes, BP themselves looked AI generated which confused me but I can now see that only the background really used AI.

However, I normally wouldn't excuse the use of AI.

Fair enough, thanks for reconsidering it.

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I don't think it was that part. There are moment in the MV where the background and some of the faces look off.

I think it was intentional to look off imo. Dave Meyers is the director he is known to work with CGI I doubt he put his reputation down the line, but then again I don't know the ai imo was minimal if anything. I think the mv was intentional to look off but that's just me

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Its the background, and some shots of bp like the billboards at the beginning

Its pretty easy to tell imo (or maybe it's bc I'm trained as a graphic designer)

There is a lot of cgi obv but the mv has ai too

ok the billboard was ai I actually agree with the billboard part. Oh you were also trained as graphic design? me too but I don't do that for a living though. I feel there is more CGI than Ai though I think the ai wasn't as much as the amount of CGI

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Didn't you say you were a sound designer? Or is that your graveyard shift?

That too. Sound engineer, not designer, it's a different job. I have multiple jobs because I'm a freelancer and I work with multiple Adobe software, I'm also a translator as well.

Honestly, most of my works feels like graveyard shift since AI took over everything. Customers don't want to pay the same money for a job that you can do with AI in 10 minute. Especially for graphic designs.

I said no to Netflix so many times as well, since they're using AI to translate subs, and asking people to correct it for half the money.

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so..because they're adults they can't be stressed anymore? they aren't capable of being burnt out/overwork?

this narrative has been beaten dead, atp. get a new one.

That's not what I meant. I tried to say, they're adults so they could say no to YG and tell him to do a proper cb and later a tour instead doing everything all at once when all of them doing so much solo stuff as well.

That's why MMM fans boycotted RBW in 2018 as well, but as usual the company never listen.

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Actually, you're right, I stand corrected because just this morning, I watched a video claiming that in some scenes, BP themselves looked AI generated which confused me but I can now see that only the background really used AI.

However, I normally wouldn't excuse the use of AI.

The girls weren't made with AI, it was just bad VFX modeling.

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But do you know that using AI for creative media equals stealing from real artists? In order to create anything AI has to be "fed" with other people's artworks, not to mention the company could've hired real video artists to create it too. BP are musical artists, would you also say it's okay if other people stole from them to create music, because you're excusing the use of AI in this MV?

I didn't mean to comment here but AI in any form of art is so so bad for real artists who spend endless hours on honing their craft and actually creating, nothing can excuse it.

YG might have as well created a slightly different MV or schedule the filming much earlier, it wasn't impossible. Them creating an MV without AI doesn't mean the girls would have burned themselves out, it's just a matter of better planning instead of taking the easy route.

Edit: I also want to add that it's easy for people to say it's okay or that they don't care if they don't make a living out of creating art and that living isn't risked by the growing use of AI. I'm not an active artist myself but I clearly see how bad it is and it's stealing from other people.

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Exactly! And it's not just YG, btw, SME did it too with Hearts2Hearts' latest MV, but that wasn't as obvious for most people.

You could literally tell AI to "CREATE" a song, even "WRITE" lyrics based on a Blackpink song, and if I try to sell it, their fans would go batshit crazy.

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Exactly! And it's not just YG, btw, SME did it too with Hearts2Hearts' latest MV, but that wasn't as obvious for most people.

You could literally tell AI to "CREATE" a song, even "WRITE" lyrics based on a Blackpink song, and if I try to sell it, their fans would go batshit crazy.

I had no idea because I'm not following Hearts2Hearts, but that's awfull too. I personally think AI should be prohibited from being used in any art forms, because it's the absolute opposite of creating.

Yes, that's what I meant! I just gave this example because I know people would get extremely defensive if anyone used BP's songs or any other kpop music this way. You can't defend AI only when you think it benefits your artists and disagree with it when your faves are affected by it badly. . It's bad in all cases.

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Yes, it is okay.

All of them have fully packed solo schedules going on AND they just started a world tour. I would rather they use some elements of AI than them burn themselves out more while shooting the MV for a song.

idth u get how this affect others artists, bp or any other singer at their level that makes AI the common rule its just setting a bad example

the work it involved creating thsose big sets for past mv its gone along with any other worker

its lazziness and greediness , its ike big corporations saying "I pay less to hire less people to do a okish job bc who care for what U CREATE"

it has no subtance or value bc of how easy and cheap it is, andd it takes from real human labour

Many kpop mvs have been implementing it and it will get worst bc big comp. are lazy for easy cash

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I think it was intentional to look off imo. Dave Meyers is the director he is known to work with CGI I doubt he put his reputation down the line, but then again I don't know the ai imo was minimal if anything. I think the mv was intentional to look off but that's just me

I mean, it was intentional, but if you watch his other MVs you can see the VFX is on those and on JUMP is day and night.

I'm 100% sure he and his VFX crew had much more time to work on those MVs than on this one, hence the bad result.

People think you have to pay 200M for VFX artists to make a movie look great, but the Marvel movies proved this isn't true.

Godzilla Minus One had a 15M budget, Godzilla vs Kong's was 155M and the Japanese movie looked much better. It's all about time, not money. And because of AI, companies forcing artists to do the job fasters, ergo the quality is dropping.

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That's not what I meant. I tried to say, they're adults so they could say no to YG and tell him to do a proper cb and later a tour instead doing everything all at once when all of them doing so much solo stuff as well.

That's why MMM fans boycotted RBW in 2018 as well, but as usual the company never listen.

The girls weren't made with AI, it was just bad VFX modeling.

you give YG too much credit for everything even when the girls were doing their solo work you mentioned YG lol

wouldn't this be more responsibility of the director's team if they used some AI? not to mention that dave Meyers is known for overusing CGI. It's probably the editor who did use Ai in some scenes if they indeed used it.

We don't know the concept they were going for and most likely the Mv was made when the girls were working on their solo projects. Idk not everything is about being cheap. Unfortunately ai is everywhere and it's convenient don't get me wrong I'm against ai personally since I'm into art myself

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ok the billboard was ai I actually agree with the billboard part. Oh you were also trained as graphic design? me too but I don't do that for a living though. I feel there is more CGI than Ai though I think the ai wasn't as much as the amount of CGI

yes, I work as a graphic design/video editor (and all in between 3d etc)

like someone point out, time is key here

this obv,this is also in yg (and the members solo schecule) bc the just rush all, the mv doesnt even show them dancing much

DM has a catalogue to show his work and people were probably expecting smth similar that why the mv looking odd and choopy disappoint many

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they're adults so they could say no to YG and tell him to do a proper cb and later a tour instead doing everything all at once when all of them doing so much solo stuff as well.

you overestimate how much this matters

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you give YG too much credit for everything even when the girls were doing their solo work you mentioned YG lol

wouldn't this be more responsibility of the director's team if they used some AI? not to mention that dave Meyers is known for overusing CGI. It's probably the editor who did use Ai in some scenes if they indeed used it.

We don't know the concept they were going for and most likely the Mv was made when the girls were working on their solo projects. Idk not everything is about being cheap. Unfortunately ai is everywhere and it's convenient don't get me wrong I'm against ai personally since I'm into art myself

Do I look like I give anything to YG? LOL! I wouldn't give them a penny, let alone credit.😂

That's why I said, the girls were probably "forced" to do this, and my personal opinion is that they don't really care anyway, because their focus is their solo career. I mean, that's why they left this sh*thole company.

Every director is known for using VFX, and no, not really, because it's only just a Kpop MV, not a blockbuster movie, and as I said already, Hollywood is all over AI. They want to recreate REAL PEOPLE faces with AI and use it later even after they're dead, so they can pay much less for their relatives.

Also, they want to use AI modeled people for the background, so they don't have to pay for extras.

The director is ALWAYS in charge, so the VFX team have to do what the boss says. The director also have a boss, and that's the customer, YG.

The concept is pretty obvious, because even tho the AI and the VFX is not good, the message is clear.

I'm pretty sure I read on AKP they shot the MV not long ago. The shooting of a Kpop MV takes 2-3 days, usually, then comes the editing, VFX etc. So, it's around 2 months or so, based on how much VFX were used and how complex the MV is.

BTW, I just realized, the same guy made Lisa's New Woman MV as well, and that didn't look like this at all.

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you overestimate how much this matters

I don't, I'm just too optimistic, maybe.

interesting