Can we argue when 2nd gen start?

Timeline used to be clear bc it was all based on what SM called their group and when they debuted.

It all got fuzzy after SM broke rank and made NCT transcend time.

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Typical sm stan crap

2nd gen - 2.5 gen

2005 - 2012

TVXQ is mostly accepted by everyone as the start of 2G. Both Suju and SNSD trained right alongside TVXQ members and so they're from same era

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So TVXQ count as first gen?

They dont exist. Theyre just a fantasy group inside your head.