ive maybe have good rookie year, but they won't keep their momentum next year.

Eleven did very well in both internationally and domestically. Their number beat NMIXX, Aespa and Lesserafim's debut.

Love Dive is on the next level(not the aespa song next level) as well for both international and domestically.

However, they are from starship, they won't survive long. When they release a song that doesn't do well on chart, they will eventually fall back.

If they want to keep being relevant. Starship need to have some work to do. They won't flop in Korea because Wonyoung is the group. However, it won't have the level of Eleven if the song is bad and nobody care about IVE internationally. They only listen to their song because it is good, but international don't care the members.

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Tbh I do not care that much about international success.

As long as they release hits they'll have a good career and starship is capable of that.

If Sistar were able to do it then Ive could do even better since they have wonyoung and yujin.

Big 4 stans are getting bold right now, let’s not forget biggest group came from a nugu company

I’m not saying I’ve is bts, but they are gonna do a lot better than y’all think

Y'all everyday:

What if IVE flop?

IVE flop When?

But imagine if IVE flop?

Flop flop flop?

Like, c'mon now

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well true but times are changing. every kpop group has potential right now because of internet. when ive builds a solid fanbase, their fanbase could carry them like bts did.

Yall literally said Ive first comeback was going to flop and not be able to surpass Eleven yet it did better than Eleven in every metric...

If Starship made Sistar have hits from beginning to end of their career so can Ive.

and Ive also have the bonus of also being popular internationally, having an it girl and massive sales that Sistar never had.

Honestly you should worry about other 4th gen ggs being able to surpass Ive's record internationally first

Remember that only kpop fans care about this big4 bullshit, non fans will only care if the music is good.

3th gen fans should wisen up and prepare for the growing dominance of 4th gen groups like Aespa, IVE, Stray Kids etc.

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3th gen fans should wisen up and prepare for the growing dominance of 4th gen groups like Aespa, IVE, Stray Kids etc.

As long as bts bp twice exist, not happening

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As long as bts bp twice exist, not happening

For BTS, I agree.

But for BP and TWICE, let's first see if BP will even have a comeback before their current contract runs out and maybe or maybe not some members will leave - YG have a bad history when it comes to their groups and artists staying with YG when their contract runs out, especially their female artists.

And TWICE have been surpassed by MANY groups on Korean charts for many years now, even in Spotify streams and youtube views rookie groups and less popular 4th gen groups like Aespa, IVE, ITZY and Idle are starting to equal and surpass TWICE's recent songs.