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  • No one still has bts 2017 sales with 15 versions and 50 fansigns. If kpop groups were really growing as much as you want them to, they wouldn't have needed these gimmicks to get those sales.

    I didn't say they have them now but they are growing. Faster than BTS because of the weird strategies.

    Hybe, on the other hand, is releasing either very expensive albums or old content. Or both at the same time.

    Kpop relies on hype but hybe only cares about profit. You can't expect people to excuse and justify that all the time.

  • Some boy group may in fact reach 5 million sales in preorder thanks to Chinese bulk sales and 20 versions. And the result? Another release utterly ignored by the actual music industry.


    BTS does not have to worry about this stuff anymore. The weekly streams that will generate from this package will keep it in the charts for a long, long time.

  • I think bts will sell only 1.5 million. watch armys make an excuse about bts decline like they did for BE. 🤣

    and now that critically acclaimed $50 album has sold over 3 million copies and has multiple certifications around the world…your point??

  • No one still has bts 2017 sales with 15 versions and 50 fansigns. If kpop groups were really growing as much as you want them to, they wouldn't have needed these gimmicks to get those sales.

    kpop fans are really in their own world where they think an album essentially treated as a merch drop with zero cultural impact is something to be in awe of. there was even that poll on Reddit recently where people suggested they shouldn’t even bother putting the CDs in the package anymore…telling!

  • I didn't say they have them now but they are growing. Faster than BTS because of the weird strategies.

    Hybe, on the other hand, is releasing either very expensive albums or old content. Or both at the same time.

    Kpop relies on hype but hybe only cares about profit. You can't expect people to excuse and justify that all the time.

    Nope. No one is growing faster than bts. Everyone is getting stagnant this year if you haven't noticed yet. So no one will reach bts numbers as much you want them to. Kpop relies on hype and bts will have more hype than all these boygroups for their comeback. Because these groups will run out of hype before bts.

  • and now that critically acclaimed $50 album has sold over 3 million copies and has multiple certifications around the world…your point??

    Bts the best sold 1.5million last year with 50$ price tag and limited edition of 130$. Mind you it was a japanese release. These clowns really be talking anything at this point.

  • Bts the best sold 1.5million last year with 50$ price tag and limited edition of 130$. Mind you it was a japanese release. These clowns really be talking anything at this point.


    they are gagging so hard for bts to have a downfall and it’s been this way as long as i remember (4 years!)

  • Nope. No one is growing faster than bts. Everyone is getting stagnant this year if you haven't noticed yet. So no one will reach bts numbers as much you want them to. Kpop relies on hype and bts will have more hype than all these boygroups for their comeback. Because these groups will run out of hype before bts.

    This is not the hype for their first album after so long, sis. In the past even though they were smaller, people were excited. Now that we are getting served yesterday's food again, it's not the same, despite the big numbers.

    Things are changing Hybe is keeping them stagnant for profit.

  • bts is a flop group with no merit and no sales. Poor BTS. Hybe can't keep the lights on and BTS keep flopping. No good music, pre order sales low, jungkook being friends with Jay Park the fraud, the bar is low. Poor army, they must he struggling. Suga had to produce for Psy to keep the apartments lights on. Poor suga. Back to the dungeons BTS, back to the dungeons.

  • It’s a greatest hits album, it’s not meant to slam you over the head with newness. It’s ridiculous to compare it to a regular album and what people’s excitement level would be. The fact is a lot of newer fans are actually excited about it and so will people just getting into them, a great chance to dive into their catalog. A lot of new fans will come out of this project, and you can guarantee an accompanying world tour will be record-breaking.


    Everyone else can chill out a second while the band figures out what they want to and can do next! No one is coming for their throne, no one is even near the palace.

  • This is not the hype for their first album after so long, sis. In the past even though they were smaller, people were excited. Now that we are getting served yesterday's food again, it's not the same, despite the big numbers.

    Things are changing Hybe is keeping them stagnant for profit.

    Hybe is stupid but you kpop fans are more stupid than these kpop companies.

    No one should expect their faves to release 20 new songs every single year. And no one actually does except kpop fans.

    No one should be boycotting a comeback of their favourite artists just to get back at their company. And no one actually does except k-pop fans. Because kpop has brainwashed you kpop fans to think every single thing in kpop is done through the company.

    Don't blame hybe if you are not enjoying things. Blame yourself for thinking for reasons to not enjoy things. Because when you want to enjoy things, you find happiness even in the darkness.

  • Hybe is stupid but you kpop fans are more stupid than these kpop companies.

    No one should expect their faves to release 20 new songs every single year. And no one actually does except kpop fans.

    No one should be boycotting a comeback of their favourite artists just to get back at their company. And no one actually does except k-pop fans. Because kpop has brainwashed you kpop fans to think every single thing in kpop is done through the company.

    Don't blame hybe if you are not enjoying things. Blame yourself for thinking for reasons to not enjoy things. Because when you want to enjoy things, you find happiness even in the darkness.

    You speak only facts :eyes:;-)

  • Hybe is stupid but you kpop fans are more stupid than these kpop companies.

    No one should expect their faves to release 20 new songs every single year. And no one actually does except kpop fans.

    No one should be boycotting a comeback of their favourite artists just to get back at their company. And no one actually does except k-pop fans. Because kpop has brainwashed you kpop fans to think every single thing in kpop is done through the company.

    Don't blame hybe if you are not enjoying things. Blame yourself for thinking for reasons to not enjoy things. Because when you want to enjoy things, you find happiness even in the darkness.

    I am old enough to remember Armys being proud of BTS for releasing music like artists should and to remember this was used against other groups in fanwars.

    Armys will twist facts the way they fit them and pretend they didn't scream the exact opposite for years. And making things up.. Who talked about boycotting, luv?

    Let's all, also, collectively pretend that every Army wasn't expecting and dreaming of the new era and concept and huge sales.

    But, now here we are excusing what was used as a drag against other artists and use it as a way to defend money hungry Hybe.

    No company has shooters like Hybe does. It's scary how things have turned out to be.

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