Posts by Chemotter

Wow. I didn't expect this result. I was wrong. At the very least, I thought they would be able to win this injunction.

Hope the complexcon song is a banger and they can come out of this stronger.

K-hip hop and K-R&B took too much market share away from what used to be BG territory.

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Those are trilogies

That's why u mention them as one even

Fearless/antifragile/unforgiven was a trilogy and easy/crazy/hot is other

I know. And I'm saying that the 1st trilogy fits them better and the 2nd trilogy should have built upon the 1st one. In my opinion, the 2nd trilogy is influenced by the success of Perfect Night. While lyrically it stayed consistent, it is like they left the 1st trilogy behind instead of incorporating elements that made them successful. It feels like everything was stripped away to move onto something new.

Also, Hybe's obsession with Tik tok virality clearly took over in this iteration. For example, Hot was like Katseye's Debut. Just an underbaked song that clearly had only the chorus virality in mind.

I know the plan for the trilogy was done way before, but there are decisions at a producer level that happened where I'm questioning the overall execution and direction of this trilogy.

Lyrics aren't the only thing that gives a musical identity. It also includes how they are portrayed. I feel like there is a disconnect between the Fearless/Antifragile/Unforgiven era vs the Easy/Crazy/Hot era.

I think the success of Perfect Night changed the direction of their musical identity, and their chase for international popularity. It moved them away from what I liked about LSFM. It does feel like they became trend chasers and became more generic.

The responses that I've seen across various site is mixed, but more negative than positive.

Reasons? It was safe, too short and forgettable.

It felt like the song went nowhere before it abruptly ended. The instrumentals were sparse, yet the vocals weren't that interesting to drive the song. The chorus was fine, but it sounded generic. Good enough to bob your head along, but it feels like you've heard it before in different pop songs. No bridge and the break in the MV just ruined it.

I would compare it to Katseye's song, 'Debut'. Sounds familiar, short and under baked song.

While I did like the Easy era, Crazy and Hot has been a miss for me. I miss their old concept of boldness. At this point, I don't know what their identity is.

It is a bop.

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I'm still waiting on them to tell me which lawyers disagree with me and to see what they've said. Good luck in getting any kind of substantive reply.

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Please illuminate me, which attorneys are saying otherwise? Got a link? Citations? Anything to actually show that you can back up your statements?

Appeal to authority time again... But you know it'd actually help if you could quote or citation these supposed authorities... Well do they even exist?

I've laid out the logical process to my position and explained my reasoning. Where pray tell is your reasoning? Does it even exist?

Hiakuryu

Mar 6th 2025

This is their tragic attempt to attack my posts and my reply to put up or shut up.

I think so far in my posting history I have pretty much tried to cite and source all my statements or laid out my logical reasoning as best as possible. They... on the other hand have never done anything of the sort.

Instead they resort to playing the appeal to authority fallacy. I'm pretty sure that tells you everything you absolutely need to know about the level of their arguments on the issue.

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There are several users that camp the megathread and other kpop subreddits. The same ones pop up and argue with you if you point out anything that deviates from the prevalent narrative on reddit. It gets tiresome.

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Outside of the ribbon issue, it's a bunch of same ole same old from both of them with ador regurgitating the hybe letter to newjeans complaints from last April and more likely edited texts

I'm going to maintain my sanity by not arguing on reddit.

If I remember correctly, I thought there were two incidents. The one where Illit bows and there was no issues. This was the short clip that was saved. Then there was supposedly a second encounter where the manager said, 'Ignore her.' and that one wasn't able to be recovered.

This is all old news being rehashed in court, so I don't know why people are going wild on reddit.

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This is interesting, do you have a source for this quote?

한매연 국장 "일방적 계약 해지+독자적 활동, 신뢰도 흩트리는 위험한 행위"

[스포티비뉴스=장진리 기자] 5개 대중음악단체가 일방적 전속계약 해지 통보에 대한 우려를 표했다. 한국매니지먼트연합(이하 한매연) 이남경 국장은 27일 JW메리어트 호텔 서울에서 열린 기자회견에서 “일방적인 전속계약 해지 선언과 그에 따른 독자적 활동은 매우 위험하다”라고 밝혔다.…

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You'll have to google translate it.

Ador is in a tough situation. Barring NJZ from participating in musical activities would be the final straw in breaking trust with the girls, and it is a losing move in court as daisy pointed out previous precedents.

My guess is you could drive a bus through some of the wordings in the contract and the only bite of consequence is the penalties.

The best Ador can do is put public pressure and try to cut off the funding through banning advertisement activities.

KMF director indirectly exposed the reality of NJZ's situation.

"The real issue lies in the contract's binding power...these clauses are too vague to objectively determine liability. This structure makes it difficult to hold artists accountable for breaches, leading to disputes where agencies are forced to defend themselves while artists take an offensive stance."

There isn't really a defined legal mechanism in the contract to make NJZ stay. Sure. There may be penalty, but that's going to take years to resolve. If the artists are big enough, they can get away with it.

My problem is the companies wield these contracts like an iron fist, but when the artists have enough power to wield it to their own advantage, they cry foul.

As everyone made it abundantly clear, artists aren't employees. They are allowed to use the contract to their advantage if they choose to do so.

It isn't the responsibility of the artists to think about the jobs that will be lost in Ador. They aren't owners of the company.

We've all wished for a longer version of Get Up. I hope we get a similar sound.

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When did I become a Meovv fan?

We need someone to put on the sasquatch suit from the MV. You were volunteered. Welcome to the Meovv fan club.

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I’m incredibly nosy tbh

I know the bigger idols are pulling in millions

But how much does like a mid tier idol get? Could they afford to buy a home?

Maybe like Itzy, gidle, are they all millionaires?

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The most Soyeon ever made a month was $700k, but she said it varies a lot. She is an outlier since she produces and writes songs. She gets the biggest cut.

Newjeans are an outlier too, but they had $3.7 million per member. They also do a lot of CF. Not sure if those figure is included but I read that a good chunk of CF deals go to the artists rather than the company.

Aespa got about $2.3 million per member.

For both groups, it is 2023 figures. I'm sure Aespa made much more in 24.

Also, the popular groups that re-up with their companies negotiate better contracts. That's why companies churn out new groups.

Failed idols are lucky to get out without debt.

Mid tier idols probably get nothing if there isn't sustained success.

If I had to make a guess on the available info:

1. Failed or not too popular idols - debt/receive nothing up to 100k
2. Somewhat Popular idols/Mid tier idols 100k to probably 300k
3. Popular idols 300k-million
4. Big 4/most popular 1-4 million range.

I love their voices. I'm just here for good music, and I hope this combo produces bops.

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Except these aren't luxury goods, they're cheap pieces of plastic and some tacky clothing that was printed out for a few bucks.

Lot of the luxury goods are cheaply made plastic or clothes. The material doesn't matter. With all luxury goods, it is about outside perception and validation.

'If I wear this or hold up this big ass weapon of a wand, will other kpop fans know that I'm a ride or die Lisa fan?'

If the answer is yes, this is probably worth the money.

Volume =/= Profit.

This is how luxury goods work. You have to gatekeep, so there is a difference between the haves and the have nots. It differentiates the casual fans from the hardcore fans.

Less volume but higher prices == more profit margin.

All the luxury brands that went down the road of making 'cheaper' versions of itself eventually lost prestige and lost market share.

Would you rather sell 10 items to make the same profit as selling 2-3 items? There is a finite number of people that'll buy Lisa merch. Decreasing price won't make people buy more.

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is it me or do I see a little bit of Jihyo in her too???

That's what I was thinking.

My initial instinct is to say tone, but after some thought, I think vocal technique. We are talking about Kpop idols that have demanding choreos. I've seen enough Hybe groups that sing out of their range and have intense choreo to know that vocal technique matters.

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Thank you. I hate the term more now.