imagine supporting this brat after what she did to her stylist.

it was my most listened-to song this year according to YT music . I like weird music tho.

Illit taking their plagiarism of NJ too far. is this the English version?! I can never tell if Illit vocals are fake because they always sound like AI.

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mistake no.1 is thinking you have a shot with yama

not sure what you mean by having a "shot" but I'm afraid to ask.

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How was it "teased to death?" It had the same amount of pre-release promotion as any other song. SM took their sweet time actually releasing her album, but the title track was not one of the songs she had revealed previously.

that's more what I meant, it was announced too soon for my liking and there were a lot of teasers leading up to it, I'd expect better MV and song production quality for such a build up. but it goes back years with rumors that Irene would have a solo comeback that never happened.

I think it's getting worse in the sense that technology is much better now. you have live autotune and a lot of groups pre record "live" vocals to make it seem they are singing live. I hate it when there are no live vocals, at that point you're just watching a dance crew.

I miss vocal mistakes tbh and not everyone having perfect pitch all the time. The gold standard now seems to be "stability" not emotion or character.

6/10 blop for me, a bit underwhelming, I feel like SM waited way to long to finally give Irene a solo. I feel like this song was teased to death and I'm a bit disappointed ngl.

I wan't another Seulgi Irene duet comeback desperately though.

I feel like nothing will happen tomorrow. i have a feeling they are going to see out all their commitments first, starting with their concert this weekend with Yoasobi in Seoul.

I don't think she's ever been a good vocalist, but the same could be said for the majority of idols. I will say it is tough to sing in a foreign language and she seems to have quite a bit of anxiety with singing which makes it even more challenging. She's still super popular, especially in Japan. I think she would have been better as a 'rapper'.

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Your verbiage throughout this thread carried an implication that it was a situation unique to NewJeans. And if you feel so strongly about it, you should be condemning the entire industry. But really, we both know you're just using it as an excuse to spread more hate towards NewJeans using MHJ as a proxy.

It's such a stale and predictable move at this point, and I wish people would try a more original approach.

lol calling out MHJ for being a weirdo is certainly stale at this point. y'all do you. I've already said it's a pattern of behavior. i didn't bring up the Hype texts bc I'm not sure how valid they are. But it's just more reasons to dislike MHJ, calling hanni a fat pig and saying the girls were ungrateful and would be nothing without her.

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You're delusional if you think this same statement couldn't be applied to literally every idol group in the history of K-Pop, so don't even peddle this bullshit like it's something unique to NewJeans.

Not to mention, regardless of intent, something you have no way of proving, MHJ has been objectively supportive and protective of NewJeans in ways that no other CEOs have, even paying them way faster than what is typical at HYBE, which is literally one of the reasons they incel losers there got mad at her.

It's pathetic how people go out of their way to demonize MHJ in an industry filled with men in power who have done and are doing MUCH worse than her.

I never said it wasn't prevalent across the industry, but thinking it's ok for a 14yr old girl to talk about her "cookie" and wanting someone to "taste" it is beyond the pale. Shinee's questionable outfits was one thing, RV mentioning 9/11 and Hiroshima was something....Saying other people are creeps so it's ok for MHJ to be a weirdo is not a good defense. Scary people will dick ride for a their fav groups creative director.

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Hate the girls or mhj all you want, but why you have to refer real human as "old toys"

you're delu if you think MHJ cares about the NJ members beyond their usefulness to her. She's said it herself, she's the visionary and the idols are just her muse. All of the credit for NJ's success belongs to her in her eyes.

I've never said anything negative about any idol on here because that's tacky, except Jimin with his chipmunk ass voice. I was ready to give MHJ the benefit of the doubt again and was all aboard the NJ hybe train until 'Cookies' came out and it was more of the same disappointment from creepy-ass MHJ. How y'all can continue to support here is on you.

She's always been suss since her Shinee days.

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I don't actually really read what you post, since it's the same nonsensical trash, but I skimmed again and saw this and laughed.

In 2023, NewJeans had the second biggest year by a girl group in Spotify HISTORY, and it ranked ahead of 2022 BP, a year where they dropped new music.

Oops. So much for that theory.

The only reason they just BARELY came in second behind 2023 BP is because they only had 12 total songs. You know, the same argument Blinks used back when it was BP who had the tiny discography.

It figures that you're just another jealous Blink working to give the good Blinks here a bad name.

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I don’t like BP, NJ music is better. I just don’t put as much stock in streaming numbers as most ppl like you do. NJ still needs to tour and release a full album then we can talk about greatness.and show more artistry as opposed to shilling iPhones, coke and shampoo.

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Oh please. As if you could comprehend anything at a 10th grade reading level. I aggressively dumb down my message so that the hollow cavity where your smooth brain is supposed to be can absorb information somewhat successfully.

You haven't posted a single fact in this thread or really any other, just a bunch of fallacies and fiction

NewJeans certainly took a nosedive. They nosedived right into being the top girl group on Spotify and on pace to finish their first year as the #1 girl group on platform, dethroning BLACKPINK.

If you want some wish fulfillment fantasy indilgement, you picked the wrong platform for it. Maybe cope on Reddit with all the company stans and antis who obsessively try to convince themselves of the worst possible outcomes for NewJeans.

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i don't stan anyone. It stans like you that have a narrative. i dunno why you feel the need to gloat about NJ everyday. everyone says they're the top gen 4 GG. i hate stans because they can never say anything critical about their own group, every song every MV every performance is a 10/10 for them. it's sad. even sadder are the nets that spend all day gloating about their group and shitting on every other group. them finally dethroning BP who haven't released a song in years just shows how bad 4th gen is in general. BP individual members are bigger than NJ will ever be.

Honestly, they look a lot like the members of Meovv

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I can smell a hater a mile away, and your stench is especially putrid and rancid, just like these take.

The disgusting projection you just tried to pass off as a respectable opinion on MHJ and her relationship with NewJeans aside, even that isn't as foul as trying to weaponize Hanni's light-hearted comments about to her fans when she was asked about that topic.

We get it. You don't like NewJeans. But the way you people show your whole ass in the most ignorant, not even trying to suppress the bitter loser energy, only serves to justify why I have to be so harsh in response.

Lastly, there was nothing even statistically correct about the performance of their songs. How Sweet objectively outperformed Super Shy; it was just blocked by Supernova, and it spent more weeks in the top 10 than OMG.

Your bozo the clown shit post reads like someone who is hoping and praying for NewJeans to fail than someone who actually believes it.

How sad.

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everything you write sounds like copy pasta or chat gpt, sounds like some pompous 10th grader. you guys merely adopted MHJ I was born into it, I know how she moves. NJ still dominates in Korea but their international numbers took a nosedive that's just facts, I'm sorry facts hurt your feelings.

I'm surprised there isn't more fuss around Hybe inflating album sales honesty. It's illegal, doubly for a publicly traded company. it's stock manipulation 101.

My feeling is that all companies do it. and all these companies are just pump-and-dump schemes disguised as entertainment companies and the Korean officials are probably involved.

it'll be interesting to see how long MHJ plans on sticking with NJ's, she gets bored of her old toys fairly quickly, and their concept is focused on being young and fresh. also, how long are the members willing to stick it out after all this drama, Hanni said she wanted to start a family sooner rather than later.

with army boycotting them their numbers are back down to reality, still dominate but not dominate enough to dethron a weird ass aespa song.

its an ok debut song. A bit vanilla, the hook reminds me of another song I cant put my finger on it it's driving me crazy oh nah nah nah.

this is an industry show like the Grammys or the Oscars, you have to pay to play.