Not hating on anyone, but I noticed Nj has been hinting at clovers and ribbons (kind of Coquette style) since 2023 to early 2024, based on what I saw their fans saying. And Illit literally debuted specifically revolving around those two elements too. No one’s really talking about it, so I’m wondering if it’s just me.
People talking about the similarities in hairstyle and so on, but for me, that's the obvious one actually...
Vocals
Nj takes the top spot overall since all their members have pleasant vocal tones. Yet, Chaewon and Minju have better vocal skills and techniques
=Nj > Lsfm > Illit
Dance Skills
Nj stands out indivially with their smooth, controlled movements and natural groove. Lsfm brings power and energy, but their moves can feel less polished at times. Illit is still new, so their dancing can look stiff occasionally
=Nj > Lsfm > Illit
Visuals
I love all their visuals, so no ranking here
Discography
Sour grapes and Impurities alone makes me crown this one to Lsfm
= Lsfm > Nj > Illit
Choreography
Lsfm’s choreo is so powerful and full of big movements so it’s always fun to watch as the audience. Nj’s dances have this cool, effortless vibe with a lot of swag. Illit’s choreo is cute and focuses on smaller, intricate details, which fits their concept perfectly
= Lsfm > Nj > Illit
Stage Presence
Lsfm absolutely kills it with their expressions and crowd control. They really know how to own the stage
= Lsfm > Nj > Illit
Star Power
Nj going up against a massive company like Hybe is such a queen move, so gotta give it to them
= Nj > Lsfm > Illit
Fanbase Strength
I'm not sure actually but I will give it to Nj. Their album sales are still the strongest between all 3. Yet I believe Lsfm is not far behind. Illit is still a rookie group so it’s natural their fanbase is smaller for now
=Nj > Lsfm > Illit
Social Media Presence
I'm not sure between Nj and Lsfm
Personal Favorite
Lsfm is my favorite overall ❤️
it's not hate, fans don't cheer for other groups
I agree, it’s not hate, but fans were cheering for the other groups tho. Out of the nominations, only aespa and gidle were there, while the other four weren’t. So, it’s so weird how it went completely silent when it was their turn. Plus, magnetic has been doing so well in Japan this year, which should’ve boosted their popularity, especially with two Japanese members in the group. It’s just hard to understand how they got ignored like that. Hopefully, it won’t be this bad during their Kouhaku performance. But since their fans and other hybe groups' fans will be there, I guess it will be fine for them.
What you don't get is that starships operating profit was NEGATIVE for years before ive's debut, which means they literally skyrocketed their revenue. Monsta X last world tour was in 2018 and the group is barely active now because the members enlisted in the military. Cravity and wjsn doesn't do tours,cravity sold a total of 420k this year and wjsn last album was released in 2022 and sold 196k, do you understand now how little do they count in the yearly net profit? Their other department that manage actors is called king kong, I don't know if it was included in the calculations but starship have that acting department since 2015 lmao so it's obvious how little impact it had in their profits as they only left the negative side after Ive's debut.
I never imply otherwise and clearly pointing out that Ive contributed the most. I just corrected the user because the overall numbers include the entire company, not just Ive, so those numbers do not represent only them. And the data shown by the user above didn’t show Starship operating profits in negative since 2021; they may have been prior to that, but I can’t speak to that without any data.
As the data we're talking about were from 2023, here’s a breakdown of the album sales from all Starship groups that year:
Cravity: 303,914 + 337,203 + 26,045 = 667,162
In addition to this, Cravity also had their first world tour and had held two fan concerts.
MONSTA X: 438,274
Total Album Sales: 1,284,131
Cravity World Tour Profits: ?
All of this still contributes to Starship’s operating profits. You can’t disregard the other groups' contributions on paper just because Ive is making a larger impact. Starship isn’t a one-group company like Ador or soumu, where the company’s earnings are solely from one source only. For Starship, the figures include earnings from multiple groups.
"Everyone doesn't know much about this, but IVE is the 4th Gen Girl group that made the most operating profit in 2023"
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I'm sorry, I just want to correct you a bit about this. Ador and Soumu only have Nj and Lsf as their groups and sources of income. Starship, on the other hand, has a few groups and an acting department, so of course, they’re going to be bigger. Yes no doubt Ive contributes the most, but the numbers are for the whole company, not just them. And if you know what operating profit is, you’d get why it doesn’t make sense for it to only count Ive, since it’s calculated by subtracting operating expenses (for ex: wages, rent, and cost of goods sold) from total revenue. In simple, operating profit shows how well a company is doing in running its business and making money just from its core activities not including things like interest and taxes.
I'm so sorry but as a nerd it's so hard to let this slide...
Honestly, I doubt it would work with just any other members, especially with Jennie and Lisa. Jennie is just that “it girl.” Not everyone has that kind of star power. Other companies push their idols more than YG is pushing her, but like I said, you can't force that kind of charm; it’s something you’re born with. The same goes for Lisa. She's the first female idol from SEA in a big3, which makes people from there super excited to support her. Yg previous groups already popular in that region but she help Bp to achieve a whole new level of popularity over there. Plus, their fluent English is such a big advantage for shaping Bp's career today. So I disagree with you, different members will definitely bring different outcomes. Like Treasure and BM didn’t see the same success even with money, YG’s media play, and the popularity YG had with their previous groups. They debuted after the freaking Bp.
