Posts by K-PL

I'm glad someone pointed out that making an offer is not illegally poaching.

Just to provide a ballpark sense of what a top group can make, the money is all mainly in concert tickets and merchandising sales. For BP in roughly one year -

7 Highest Grossing K-Pop Concert Tours So Far In 2023: Blackpink Reigns Supreme

Blackpink topped the list of the highest-grossing K-Pop concert tours this year. Fourth-generation groups also joined the list.

www.ibtimes.com

"In just 40 out of 60 shows, the group has already gathered a revenue of $163,832,685. The group's sold-out world tour started in October 2022 and will continue to Q3 2023, with a total of 60 shows."

and this is just for tickets. Merchandise sold is about the same as ticket sales.

This is why Kakao is willing to buy 40% of SM for Aespa and NCT for $1 billion US.

Would Fifty Fifty likely do such big numbers. No, but if successful they would be very profitable, because in the west celebs can do really well with licensed products, and they can sing, so it means they could perform till 35-40+ years old each.

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this is basically a deathblow.

Unless they can prove the audio is fake or that the Attrakt CEO was abusing Fifty Fifty, this battle is his.

They can just not promote in Korea. It is not like they are doing well or making any money there. Just pay the contract termination fee, which will be less than $20mil, and leave all the mess behind.

BOP

They went with a ballad. Musically nice. Easy listening on repeat. It is a slow build up but does not have a cresendo, but imo this is a deliberate musical choice.

Quite a contrast from Sneakers. The success of Stray Kids and Twice, proves that doing well in Korea is irrelevant. They are moving away from what Korea likes, the cutesy t(w)een concepts, which in a nutshell reduce growth overseas.

They will still be in the wilderness for a couple of years, just like Twice were, but in 2-3 years, everyone will be saying WTF they are doing 50k concerts everywhere.

Guess it must be. Gidle is #1 4th gen girl group.

Sorry Dives, TPTB have decided that they have better potentials and need to protect their investment.

Korea doesn't matter. The chump change is Korea. The big leagues is overseas concerts.

So don't count out Itzy just yet, because Korea doesn't matter. Twice had a couple of years where they were in the wilderness.

Also gidle have 1.5 yrs left on the contract. Anything can happen, like members deciding to retire or either or both of the Chinese members getting $20mil+ contracts from Tencent or any other Chinese film studio to go solo as an actresses. Both members will get offers for sure, so its whether or not they want to and can stay in the group and also act or not.

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Does spending that much of money for payola for the sake of charting flex is worth it if they hardly break even, with bare sales, and no continued promotions and appearance?

Buying youtube ads etc. does get more attention for a group.

With sajaegi, where they factory stream and/or buy albums, the company(s) want to con the public into thinking a group is way more popular than it really is... which leads to more CFs, more PR and hype, more opportunities but most importantly bigger and more concerts which is where most of the money is.

Kakao bought 40% of SM for $1 billion US, so "marketing" spend in comparison for big companies for the groups they own or distribute for is chump change.

its just the larger fandoms voting for members in the groups that they stan, regardless of their talent.

Isn't Sana more popular than Tzuyu now.

Initially jyp pushed Tzuyu a lot, but after the flag incident, he stopped I assume so Chinese fans wouldn't be offended and write off the group.

imo Sullyoon is too young and too quiet. In a couple of years maybe.

If he had $6 million to spend on "marketing", he could have got #1 for months on Melon with a non-viral song.

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Called it.

But the company did their job and promoted them well. I’m just surprised about how much money they spent on them for a nugu company the ceo needed to sell his car to run

The token stans that were ranting on the forum some months back about true “organic” hit lmao

Even on twitter, token stans being hypocritical and now saying it doesn’t matter because the song is good and people are streaming. I bet if this news came out about a popular group like BP, BTS, twice, Newjeans etc, reactions will be totally different and not this considerate

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I consider organic, not using Sajaegi. So paying for youtube ads, tiktok marketing if there is such a thing, tv ads etc, is organic. Things like using bots, the company directly or indirectly buying albums, streaming factories is not organic.

If vocals are that important time to give up on kpop, because nothing in kpop is even close to

Fifty Fifty has shown, that if a song is good, it will succeed in the global market.

Their peak in Melon for Cupid is only #10 so far, in contrast.

There are so many other factors that influence success in the Korea charts. One of them is your budget for "marketing". Also concept, and what the Korean general public likes is quite different to global tastes. You see that now with Twice and Stray Kids, who sell tons of albums and concert tickets to overseas fans, but currently chart badly in Korea.

She had a great debut song, but everything since is just meh, which is the companies fault.

There are only a handful of good active singers in kpop, basically those that have gone on King of Masked Singer in the last 10 years and won an episode, and Hyolyn. Everyone who hasn't gone on the show and people say is good, is overrated, and if there were to go on the show, they would be exposed.

The question is do you do what Twice did and "own" Korean for 3 years, then concept change and target the global market? The concept change is effectively debuting your group, because the concept they have now, Korea does not like, as their last song peaked at #98 on Melon. This is the slower and risker way, as they have only really been successful globally in the last two years, in their 6th to 7th years. So you may as well target the global market on debut.

Similarly with Stray Kids. Korea dislikes them, yet they sold over 5 million albums in their latest release. Seventeen also got massive in Japan before they started to get more attention in Korea. They had very good songs initially but Korea just wasn't that interested in them.

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Reminds me of what happened to momoland. 2 hit songs and members didn't even see a cent. Some even had to take part time jobs

A lot of these companies just scam the idols they manage.

Even Exo members, if what they stated in their lawsuit is true, only each got paid $200,000 a year, and they were the #1 group for many years. No wonder the China line all decided to cut their losses and go back to China, when they were at their peak.

^ I have added links to the receipts. The Producer that got bribed went to jail, and the company purchased that was smearing the competition closed down when they were busted and FTC is investigating the parent company.

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That user have no shame there's no need to be ke qi about it

certain people knowingly support groups in companies that bribes producers with adult services [proven] and employ people to smear the competition [also proven], so maybe they are celebrating what is happening now to 50-50 who is the competition

Click on proven to see the two receipts.

another anagram

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Let put example from recent brand deals trend for KPop artist. The most latest brand deals signed with KPop idols are An Yu Jin with Hana Group which is the biggest Korea financial conglomerates, or Luxury brands for Newjeans that intended to promoting on specifically Korea market, or Domino's Pizza Korea for IU. Man, KPop has really scores big already but most of the big bucks comes because they're undisputable huge on their home soil. So yes, majority of their money still comes from Korea.

And for Fifi, yes they do need to conquer Melon and Circle, For K-poppers that's the true lifeline of their stan and not Billboard.

"In just 40 out of 60 shows, the group has already gathered a revenue of $163,832,685. The group's sold-out world tour started in October 2022 and will continue to Q3 2023, with a total of 60 shows." This is just for tickets. Merchandise sold is about the same as ticket sales.

So Korean CFs are great if the group is limited in expanding globally, but it is not even close to ticket sales for the top acts.