Posts by call-911

  • Seems AKP don't know yet, Is this real or is this edited???

    Quote from nct-exo

    It looks real. I mean the photo that people are saying that it’s edited from don’t even match. Denial can make you see crazy things :pepe-use-head:

    Right? They're grasping at straws saying it was from In The Soop show of BTS, yet the background, window, clothes and angles are so different. Plus the photos were taken in a moving car, ofc the quality would be shitty. Maybe they're just hanging out, and it was captured from a long time ago 🤷‍♀️

  • Did YouTube views lose relevance compared to years ago?

    That's for video content for the most part. There are a ton of content creators in the US, so it makes sense. We are talking about streaming music on a YT app. Most people listen on-demand now. Americans and western countries like the UK (part of the biggest music markets) are on Spotify or AM. Just compare the stats of western artists on YT VS Spotify.


    Even Japan's streaming platforms & downloads are rising, despite the importance of physical albums there (which has been on a downtrend lately). Currently, kpop videos are streamed more on YT because the industry is visual-focused, and the fans are inflating numbers. Latin countries, however, are doing great on YT and on-demand platforms like Spotify (for example, Bad Bunny, JBalvin & many others).


    Also, the lack of audiences for Kpop, in general, makes it harder for them to have more ULs and streams on on-demand apps (wherein most people spend their time listening to music). It results in YT views and their actual streams not matching up (even the sales and streams). It's important to note that YT has more lax rules in streaming (a reason why the numbers are easier to inflate there) than the streaming apps.

  • Did YouTube views lose relevance compared to years ago?

    Quote from motorp77

    Even outside of kpop people just don't care about youtube views

    Right. Most people listening to music stream on demand. We are in a streaming era now. Like, who the fuck listens on YT while driving in a car or outside their house? Unless, you live in India or a kid streaming CocoMelon, then yeah. Kpop stans are just obsessed with inflating YT views for bragging rights. Besides, YT is more relevant now mostly for watching video contents.

  • [MEGATHREAD] GARAM'S SCANDAL: Facts and updates in OP. Post here.

    So, the Garam's bullying scandal is becoming more known in the media and industry. And more people are taking notice of how HYBE is in a huge mess right now. Between the scandal, alleged bribing of reporters and their stocks. They seemed overwhelmed with all of this and are having a hard time handling it.


    First, they threw BTS out of the bus with the enlistment issue, then the fan outrage with NFTs. And now, their newly launched GG is in the middle of public scrutiny, and HYBE is giving this group no favor by angering more people with their management.


    The question is 'Would this girl group be able to overcome this?'. As I said, more & more people are becoming more aware of this matter, and South Koreans are very wary of bullying. Not to mention, Koreans don't favor women.


    I feel like HYBE shot their foot with this IPO thing. Their IP ventures (games & webtoon) keep failing, and they are still heavily dependent on BTS despite all their aggressive expansions. Now, they don't know what to do. It doesn't help that their stocks are plummeting.


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  • So Armys, I think we will certainly get another album this year after the Anthology

    Quote from elliejr

    Isn't BP the only kpop group TB has worked with? And traineeA and bts are the only Hybe groups pdogg is currently following so he might be actually involved in their album.

    He also worked on Twice. I hope it's not for BTS tho. I don't like the guy's production, and Pdogg needs to step far away from the guys for now. His autotune & obsession with high pitched vocals are annoying. I hope BTS work with someone like Max Martin or new producers.

  • Korean Streaming Royalty Share: how much do your faves make?

    Quote from 7hr43q2o32

    this actually sounds generous compared to spotify and western streaming sites

    No. DSP in SK takes 35%, while Spotify takes 33%. This is the usual shares, but music labels/rightsholders can negotiate for more % to DSP. Also, Spotify pay labels/rightsholders 80% of the net after their cut, then 20% to Publishing. I tried computing, but not much difference anyways. At the end of the day, the artists money received on music depends on their contract agreement with their company/label. Some groups profit shares in music can be as low as 20% and can be high as 80%. Ofcourse, it all depends on their contract.


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  • Korean Streaming Royalty Share: how much do your faves make?

    Hi, again! Can you edit the producer part and change the word into music label/label? So, there's no confusion here. Thanks.


    Also, I assume the DSP pay the publishing or KOMCA in SK (as they are the one who collects the royalties and distributes it to songwriters/composers/lyricists).


    What I'm curious is how the shares for songwriters work in SK or Kpop songs. In the US, all the writers credited in the songs are paid equally, so even if you only contributed 7 words or some melodies you are paid equally to others. That's why you see popular western artists getting credited in every song, so they also get theirs. I wonder if it's the same in SK. I just think it's hard or confusing to pay the writers by gauging their contributions in a song.

  • Korean Streaming Royalty Share: how much do your faves make?

    Quote from omnimorphism

    I think it's a mistranslation. They said music producer [company] when they meant record label.

    Oh, yeah. I forgot the music producers are not paid by DSP, and they are usually paid by the artists' share (usually in the western industry). Usually 15-20% out of the artists share.


    But in the Kpop companies case, typically companies sign their own in-house producers and have their own contract- kinda like the artists. So, at the end it's just the idols % or share.

  • Korean Streaming Royalty Share: how much do your faves make?

    So, the label don't have a share in royalties? What is the producer's cut here? Kinda confused cause you said Music producer (record label).

  • [JYP REPORT] TWICE EARNED ₩3.3B IN CONCERTS LAST YEAR

    Yeah, a fixed fee is common in the industry esp in Kpop. Concert promoter takes the bigger cut in the pie, since they took the risks and facilitated everything. I'm pretty sure the 3.3B includes the additional fee + a fixed fee, since all the shows are sold out.


    Quote from TheBotter

    On top of that JYPE still had to essentially pay the expenses from that 2.5 mil to actually fund the travel, staff wages, show production, etc? Do I have that correct, tell me that's wrong lol? That the promoter funded that and not JYPE/Twice?

    Not quite sure in this matter, but sometimes the venue shoulders this or it's on the artists share/cut (like what the source in my first comment said). It all depends on what both parties agreed on terms & negotiated. For Kpop, it's hard to say since they travel overseas and with numerous staffs on board. I'll just edit my first post to avoid confusion. LOL.


    It's not shocking to me that people don't know this stuffs tho. Fans always thought that concerts make a lot of money, but we have to consider so many things (the venue capacity, deals structure & demand of artists to negotiate for better % as much as possible). The numbers didn't include the merch sales.


    Artists get their highest % in profit margin tho when it comes to profit distribution between them & their company. Next is endorsements and merch, music, so on & so forth. Twice probably makes more money on their endorsement deals currently, since the profit margin is better and they can't tour in huge scale due to pandemic. Most artists probably share the sentiments these days.

  • [JYP REPORT] TWICE EARNED ₩3.3B IN CONCERTS LAST YEAR

    Quote from tetetete

    yeah its shocking

    the report said twice, skz and yg grps also do this minimum guarantee deal

    that means the artists don't make a lot from touring

    It depends on how to deal was structured & if the show is sold out. The 'MG' deal is common for artists esp in Kpop, so they still get paid regardless of how the concert will turn out (financially). But yeah, the concert promoter gets more than the company/artists. They basically facilitated the concert & take the risks.

  • [JYP REPORT] TWICE EARNED ₩3.3B IN CONCERTS LAST YEAR

    Quote from idontsleep

    it doesn't add up... Is this report pure profit for JYPE or what cuz no person in their right mind would take 22% cut from concerts.

    The % is not fixed. JYP signed the deal for a 'Minimum Guarantee' price. The % is just something I calculated based on the fixed price that JYP negotiated with the concert promoter.


    Generally, producing a concert costs a lot of money and so many people have to get paid first. JYP set their own price for concerts tho, so the concert promoter planned for everything. The artists just have to show up and perform.


    More Insights on how 'MG' works in the US and the possible costs:


    Performers are often offered a guarantee, making the performance risk-free as they will be offered a set fee regardless of whether the show sells out, with the promoter shouldering any losses. In many cases, the performers will get a guaranteed minimum fee plus a percentage of anything made beyond that figure.


    “In the case of a fixed fee, the promoter would guarantee the artist money and then the promoter gets anything above that,” says Steve Machin, CEO of Accent Media, the operator of the .tickets domain name space. “Or they might split the money with different percentages. So if it’s normally 80-20 after allowable costs, if the act gets a guarantee, then the split would be adjusted in favour of the promoter.”


    The artist’s share then has to cover its own mini economy. The act will have their own crew (roadies, sound engineers, lighting crew, catering, tour manager, backing singers, extra musicians, dancers and so on) as well as transport trucks, with 30 articulated trucks on the road not being uncommon for the biggest shows. One huge act’s manager reportedly said it cost them $750,000 a day to be on the road, whether they were playing a show or not. Talking of which, don’t forget that the manager also needs their cut of the band’s share – normally 15%-20%.


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  • [JYP REPORT] TWICE EARNED ₩3.3B IN CONCERTS LAST YEAR

    JYP 1Q 2022 Results:


    Revenue: 67.78B (↑ 110%)

    Op Profit:: 19.2 (↑39%)

    Net Profit: 16.746 (↑ 39%)


    Increase due to Stray Kids, NMixx comebacks and Twice's NA tours (7 shows) and increase in Twice MD sales in the US. Concert sales were 3.3B won.


    JYP takes a Minimum Guarantee for its artists overseas which is why the 7 shows are 3.3B. This is very common within the K industry. TheYuanta analyst believes Stray Kids MG will be similar to Twice. YG does it as well for its artists, taking the MG as it is less risk.


    Hmmm....TWICE earned ₩14.802 billion with their 7 shows in the US last year. So, if JYP only got 3.3B won, then their profit margin is around 22.5%- which made me curious if TWICE members even got anything considering the costs of staying in the US. For example, BTS expenses during their 5 days UN visit in NY was revealed to be at 1.7B won. You have to consider the staffs that the artists came with, security, rental cars, airfare, covid test kits, food, hotel and other expenses that we don't know of. Twice' expenses are probably on the lower side or higher than BTS but they still had to split the profits made 9 ways & JYP. It's a pain in the ass.


    Idk maybe, they earned a penny or two. If anything, I see this move as a promotion for the group, and to gauge their real demand/pull in the upcoming concerts where they can have more power to negotiate with the concert promoter for better profit margin.


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