Crap, I didn't realise this was in kpop and not anon...
Posts by ThePhantomThief
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I don't understand how YouTube let's this happen and doesn't automatically revert it, but instead goes through ridiculous pathways of banning the account, deleting stuff etc. Particularly for accounts run by big companies.
Like, someone from JYP should be able to pick up the phone, call a contact at YouTube and be like "You see this shit?" And lickity split everything's back to normal.
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You know... I considered making a fake account to accuse someone here of being a bully and seeing what happens, but hot damn, you already did it on your main, so I'm out.
It'd be quite the social experiment to get someone fluent in Korean to drop some credible but false accusations against KG around the place, record the entire process, let it drop and stew, see if it takes hold then do a big reveal.
It'd be an incredibly shitty thing to do ethically, but it'd be interesting.
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I can't believe anyone believes the teacher at all.
It's clearly a c-net. Clearly.
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you guys visit another country more than once?
I've been to Japan 4 times and planning my 5th.
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Honestly, yeah, this looked better, even with the awkwardness of a hastily changed choreo.
One of the weird things with the 6 person choreo was that there were bits where one member (usually Eunchae) was outright blocked by another member. Like couldn't see her at all.
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Where I'm from and the amount of toxic masculinity, a man liking girl groups would be viewed as gay too lol
Can confirm
I've been viewed as gay for liking girl groups and Taylor Swift, just because the music itself isn't "masculine" enough
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Kpop stans whenever "victim" lawyer says anything:
Thats kpop stans whenever theres an anonymous posts on a social media making accusations
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Still very interested to know who leaked the document and how they got it?
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At this point, and until theres more evidence in either direction, I'm quite inclined to believe that
1. all the girls involved in this were feral, histrionic 12 year olds doing shitty things. That none of them were particularly pleasant people, let alone the innocent angels some are depicting them as
2. there was mutual antagonism between them all and escalating incidents, including verbal fights, threats, and potentially a molka/online bullying incident
3. the school, either out of ignorance or image protection, turned a blind eye initially, or handed out weak, ineffectual consequences
4. things then escalated to the point where a violent incident occurred to the point where the school couldn't ignore it and a committee was formed
This paints neither side as particularly innocent
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ffs stop sharing twitter "expert" opinions
Isn't this the same person who posted misinformation about snowdrop so that international fans hated on it?
Yeap
She's kind of a shit stirrer
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Some schools tried to ban phones from locker room for this very reason.
A school I taught at banned phones entirely.
You were to hand them into to admin or a teachers staff room in the morning and collect at end of day.If you were found at any time with a phone, it got sent to the office.
Enforcing it SUCKED but there were just way, way too many problems going on with them
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isn't korea notorious for not having severe enough punishments though?
also saw that children under 14 are immune from punishment for crimes in korea regardless of the crime (Even murder)
Article 9 (Criminal Minors) The act of a person under fourteen years of age shall not be punished.
On March 31, Rep. Kim Hoi-jae of the ruling Democratic Party of Korea revealed that 35,390 people under the age of 14 have been accused of violent crimes from 2017-2021. This included 10,199 cases of battery, 1,913 sex crimes, 47 cases of robbery and nine cases of murder.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20220329000666Sorry, I'm not speaking in terms of actual criminal matters, but school based punishment
Wasnt it the school that decided the punishment?And all they choose was this counselling thing? No suspension, no loss of privileges etc. If anything its could be maybe glorified detention, having to spend 6 hours going through this.
Of course this is a school that supposedly didnt punish molka.
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Yeah jsut having a tease about the whole "ShE hAd A rEsTrAiNiNg OrDeR!!!" thing from days back where people grabbed an idea and ran with it.
Honestly, everyone goes on about how 5 is this big awful thing, but in terms of consequences, a few hours of counselling, and the absence of any traditional punishment seems kind of low to me? Ok, not in Korea, but... I would expect truly violent behaviour to have a strong deterrent punishment like suspension/expulsion applied. But apparently talking to a shrink is THE WORST PUNISHMENT. Is it, or is it just another ball people have ran with?
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I don't know why everyone keeps talking about the 5th measure
The 9 measures in Article 17, paragraph 1 are:
Article 17 (Countermeasures against Aggressor Students)
(1) An autonomous committee shall request the head of a school to take any of the following measures (or several concurrent measures) against an aggressor student in order to protect a victim student or to enlighten and educate an aggressor student, and standards applicable to each measure shall be prescribed by Presidential Decree: Provided, That the expulsion from school shall not be applicable to an aggressor student enrolled in a compulsory educational course: <Amended by Act No. 9642, May 8, 2009; Act No. 11223, Jan. 26, 2012; Act No. 11388, Mar. 21, 2012>
1. An order to give a written apology to a victim student;
2. Prohibition against making contact with, threatening, or retaliation against a victim student and a student who has reported, or notified, school violence;
3. Service to a school;
4. Service to the society;
5. Completing a special educational course or receiving psychological treatment from an internal or external expert;
6. Suspension of attendance;
7. Change of class;
8. Transfer to another school;
9. Expulsion from a school.
What happened to the restraining order?
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Honestly, for a while now this has sounded like a group of quite nasty 12 year olds fighting with each other, at a shitty school that turned a blind eye until behaviour escalated to a point where they couldn't ignore.
I wouldnt be surprised to hear that neither side is particularly innocent and the the truth is somewhere in the middle. That there was mutual antagonism and fighting. That the victim was hardly an innocent wallflower but was a nasty kid taking photos of others and distributing them, and Garam was hardly a sweet angel protecting a friend, but also a nasty kid who took retaliation too far. Because thats what always happens in conflicts, theres escalation until one side takes it too far.
It seems odd to me that both HYBE and the lawyers are keeping the report hidden. Like they might BOTH have something to hide?
It's probably still no longer appropriate for Garam to continue though.
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What did these tweets imply? They are gone now
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JFC... this is so frigging complex.
I'm out, its all just too much.
GOOD BYE
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I really wonder if this is also a sign that they ARE removing or benching her for a time. They obviously cant just dump her and have the other 5 perform the same day due to choreo etc, so would need a bit of time to rearrange stuff.