Posts by ThePhantomThief
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Guys, this really isn't about Twice in any way, like wtf
For you its always about Twice
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Ive will reach 1M today or tomorrow most likely. So I guess itcy beat em in a matter of hours . I did not think floptzy would reach that bfor Ive like wtf Ive. U need to do better
I love Itzy > IVE but you're not thinking on scale of time.
Itzy took weeks to hit a million, IVE will do it in a shorter time frame.
So technically IVE wins.
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Oh! For a second there, I thought their new album just sold a million?
Either way, nice accomplishment but I'll save the early celebrations till they're moving a million per album.... which I feel is soon
Their new album DID sell a million
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I also have paid the blood cost
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Sigh.... put me down for a Chaeryeong.
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we have akp stans here bring in that drama to create more riff and tension here bcos it is allowed acc to the rules
AGREED
OP shouldn't have made this thread because thats exactly what they did
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I'd say I'm surprised by some of the hypocrites in this thread but it was expected
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I didn't have any particular view based on boy or girl groups.
What I DID have was a preconceived notion that all kpop was all cutepop sugary sweet stuff, or semi ballady lovey dovey stuff. Basically, shamefully, I thought it was just like bad jpop, but from Korea. Like seriously, I pictured AKB48 kind of stuff.Then there was that fateful day in September 2019 that I decided to give Blackpink a try for some unknowable reason and started with Kill This Love.
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Most western boy groups also never fit the mould of a "mans mans" image though. 1D, BSB, Nsync. They never really have fit a masculine image, even when they tried to present as tough/stong/many, it's artificial. There's always been the "pretty boy" thing that boy groups get associated with.
When I was teaching, 1D was the big boy group, and I recall teen boys in school constantly teasing their female 1D fan classmates with how "gay" or weak the boys looked.
I think though it's more that the image boy groups are made to portray is "non threatening". I always think back to the old Simpsons gags:
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That boy group members are specifically designed to appear non threatening to their core audience, and that means playing down the more aggressive and sometimes toxic traits that define masculine. But in doing so, it kind of alienates a lot of the male audience that tend to gravitate towards more masculine depictions.
I had a car thought before as well...
I think another thing that separates how bg's and gg's are viewed is "authenticity". It's still something rooted in sexism and gendered norms, but it seems to me that male musicians are expected to be "authentic", to portray the image that they are "real" musicians who play instruments, formed a band/group with people they know and developed organically. The CLEARLY manufactured boy group, created by labels and focus groups, with carefully crafted personalities and archetypes, and controlled behaviour off stage, isn't very palatable to many western audiences. It just ain't rock and roll. Modern kpop groups are the ultimate manifestation of manufactured and stage managed, and hence they aren't perceived well (as unfair as it may be)
Also unfairly, female musicians get more leeway as "manufactured groups/artists", to the point where it's almost expected that female music acts are "manufactured" and artificial in some way, and it's the more organic female artists (especially groups) that are viewed in some degree of negative light.
It as if males are expected to have fought and worked hard to get where they are musically, risen up through it all and , where as fighting and working hard for women is "too hard" and they need the help and being manufactured and packaged is they for female acts to get big.
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She really is the reigning Queen of Kpop
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There are some fandoms who are toxic on every occation
But thats not the entire fandom, and thats what I mean.
EVERY kpop Fandom has good, decent people, kpop isn't Andrew Tate Fandom or Proud Boys. Some fandoms do have many more toxic, horrible scum than others, true.
The problem is, in many of the kpop fandoms, the good people allow the toxic scum to exist. They follow the toxics members social, they amplify their messages, they don't shun them or shut them out.
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I honestly don't think the racial thing plays into as much as the gender does.
Girl Groups are always just more general publically accepted while boy groups are much more tilted towards very dedicated but more closed off fandoms.
I also think the very obsessive and dedicated nature of BG'S is a turn off for the GP.