Posts by gerrard174

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Secondly i noticed that the song actually has an extended structure that makes it noticeably longer than your typical 2:45 disposable commercial "pop song" these days. It has a full bridge that goes into the final chorus, which itself has a cool little 15 second extended verse that does a great job of finishing the song in a satisfying way.

literally all iz*one title tracks have that "extended structure" or finishing part you mentioned except SSOS (it follows typical 3 chorus song structure). The "extended structure" usually has Eunbi singing part of it too, like it is a staple part she has in iz*one title tracks

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I’ll be honest, it’s because the “planet guardians” didn’t take their voting seriously. They had other agendas besides making the best possible group with their voting.

- Bahiyyih had a lot of supporters but they were mostly her brother’s fans token stanning her, she did not have the qualities to be a stan attractor to most everyeone else.

- Xiaoting got votes for visual, and Mashiro got votes by JYP stans and others because she’s someone who missed her chance debuting in Itzy. But there could have been more dynamic and interesting global trainees who could have taken their place. They can have their moments when they shine but it takes work and can’t do it on their own naturally without help from production.

- Yujin brings little to the table. Even though she’s the oldest, her main talent is still doing aegyo. She got pity votes because her old group CLC was prolific in their flopping.

- Yeongeun, Chaehyun, Dayeon are fine. Yeseo is cute but that’s about it. Koreans and global voters were at war with each other, so they emphasized “safe” picks a lot instead of other risky but potentially more interesting choices.

This is night and day difference with Boys Planet, where the choices were based on genuine attraction to the members. This is why Zhang Hao got #1 because even the Korean fangirls threw away their xenophobia, something which they would never do for female idols.

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The splitting of K J C really made a big difference + cell voting. Koreans were definitely afraid that many C and J will make it into the group when the C and J are dominating top rankings for many rounds

So towards the end of 1-pick, koreans barely vote for any of the C & J until they realise the interim ranking for final top 9 has only 1 foreign member (Suruiqi). At that point, koreans finally started to save some of the foreign members - XT Hikarua Mashiro

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Even Chaehyun is downgraded a lot by the fandom. Like, I know really well she's not a powerful center, and Xiaoting is more at the center anyway, but pay some respect to the best vocalist of Girls Planet. Chaehyun contributes a lot for the group, she's one of the visual members and a good main vocal.

Sorry but u did not just brush off Bora like that. Bora is obviously the best in the song.

Chaehyun had her fair share of unstable moment / voice crack during live performance. She is barely a "good main vocal" im sorry to say that. She is at best at Karina level and karina aint no main vocalist

Quote from SooYoung

exactly me

i still don't understand what people are complaining exactly about jyp management

JYP is giving to his gg what every gg do

variety show, they do a lot lot lot of content on youtube for their gg more than any other gg

and they are very very active on social media, with recurrent cb, all their gg comeback pretty much every 6-8 months

i don't see where's the mismanagement so if someone can explain to me i would be happy to hear

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I think the mismanagement quoted by many is referring to lack of strategic direction. Like they dont know what to achieve with their group. Drastic flip flopping between concepts turned off some fans (e.g. ITZY) and blindly chasing trend (e.g. Mixxpop).

Funny enough, people hated songs written by JYP for the groups but usually those songs are the ones turning into hits

Quote from Disevidence

That's like saying SKZ are bigger in Korea then IVE because they sell more albums.

I-dle also shift music, to a massive extent, in China. Digital Album sales (as in people just buying the music), the most listeners on the digital platforms, and even performing well on QQ despite actually being exclusive to Netease.

Aespa do none of that. They have massive solo bars, but that's the extent of where their popularity ends.

That's a lie. Do u ever lurk on china sites or you just guess?

From the time i spent there + selling platforms, i have never seen GIDLE being more in demand than aespa 🙄🙄 this coming from someone who bought albums and photocards there

im worried for aespa 🥲🥲

Let Spicy has its moment first please, it just reach #1 yesterday. Let it stays for a week please

Quote from SooYoung

actually kpop fans are more encline to go full out for a kpop group album

especially if it's the first one,

full album are usually where kpop fans put all their money to try to break the most record

especially if it's a group first full album

so i get it why it's weird that they did the same sales in 1st week with after like and I AM for people

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For reasons I mentioned above.

I agree that fans will usually go all out for full albums but given their young target market (unlike BP which has more fans from 2016) Even if fans want to bulk buy, the albums are expensive af + heavy (they have two photobooks in each album for god sake).

side note: The inclusions are terrible as well - 1 photocard +1 film photo + 1 poster. BP were giving 1 photocards + 2 polaroids on top of postcards. Having said so, the same could be said about LRSF - pricey album with little inclusions (seems to be norm for HYBE group ex NJWS)

Quote from Flovell

Previous comeback 1 week sales:

Aespa: 1.12m

Lsrfm: 567k

Ive: 1.1 m

Gidle: 678k

Recent comeback 1 week sales:

Aespa: 1.6m

Lsrfm: 1.2m

Ive: 1.1m

Gidle: 1.16m

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I think IVE lower sales are contributed by

1) This is a full album, previous 3 are single album. This album is more expensive

2) absence of Rei impede their ability to do more fansign events. This comeback, they have very little video call and fansign events (less than Love Dive and After Like). Believe it or not, these events are really the big driver of sales (see NMIXX case)

Quote from TPHF

We'll soo hoe much it will negatively influence their korean charting especially if they don't promote it much there

Actually newjeans never promote pre-release. So it is given that the pre-release will have to fight its way like Ditto did with zero promo (and im sure it will slay the charts from the hype alone)

After US promo, im sure they will make grand promo on korean shows after album drop. Min heejin is not stupid. Now that she has stakes in ADOR, she will not repeat what JYP did - American Dream and neglect S.Korea

Quote from KpopJop

nothing you hope for will take away what Newjeans have already achieved lmao, touch grass

I actually rooting for newjeans to continue its success but it would be fun to see how the success stans react

We all know now Tokki is full of success stans just like how MYs was

Quote from SooYoung

Yeah i can't believe it took them 2 years to understand that it's thanks to promo that a group can be successfull

Like i said, LSM wanted to aespa a Blackpink 2.0 (not the concept, but the luxury, not your typical kind of idols). But he forgot that BP also came a long way before they could afford minimal promo at current juncture.

The new SM controlled by kakao is promoting aespa like IVE - full blown promo during comebacks

this thread honestly remind me of the arrogant Midzy and MYs back then.

I hope the karma wont hit the Tokki in the same way 🤞🏻

Quote from BlackpinkHouse

Still going on?

Ive

NJ

Idle and Aespa

LSRFM

The bottom 3 are all subject to change, depending on longevity of S, U, and QC.

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NO i disagree with your top 2 too

let's keep this debate ongoing

those are just lomo cards not official photocards. You probably can get that whole deck for less than USD5

The contents we getting this month is more than contents we have gotten for past 2.5 years

Quote from K-PL

No one is saying Ive is not going extremely well in most of the major Digital streaming charts in Korea. If we only look at digital streaming charts in Korea its a clear #1. NJ #2. Ive #3. the rest.

But we at also looking at many other factors such as albums, other domestic (e.g. YouTube Korea live streaming which is bigger than melon now) and international charts, and then also important in the near to mid-term, growth relative to other groups, concept success historically in international markets, company experience internationally etc.

The only hold back factors i see in IVE are

1) Rei on hiatus hurting their Japan promo and concerts (i'm not going without Rei)

2) SSE not Big4 and hence less international network

IVE definitely will not be top in WW but they will hold their grip in Korea just like Twice did in their beginning years, whereas NewJeans/Le sserafim just like Blackpink will get more success from the wesr

2)

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It was completely out of the chart last week so I have no idea what caused this specifically

I expect it’ll happen again with the new comeback and then when winter comes around again

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Many kpop songs with around 1 mil streams (e.g. Shut Down) are recharting too. Probably just a non peak season (no western album bombs)

Quote from K-PL

Looks like Ive going to be last.

IVE albums are so expensive this round compared to the previous 🥲🥲 it really hurts their sales. Also, their Special ver album is even more expensive. Vinyl also coming out soon

Quote from K-PL

1. NJ

2. Ive, Aespa, LSRF, gidle

Was going to wait a bit to decide on gidle, but they just got #2 across digital charts and will most likely sell more or about the same albums as Ive.

I say all at (2) are about the same, as each lead or lag in a different area(s).

Next comeback I believe one of the 4 groups in (2) will drop, due to the other groups still exponentially growing and that group only getting little growth again.

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IVE is on different league than the other 3..

First, their peak ULs are much higher than the rest (After Like 630k+, I AM 580k, Kitsch 500k)

Second, two back-to-back PAK songs. I really doubt anyone else except maybe NJ can do it (assuming the first song didnt block 2nd song like Ditto blocked OMG)

Lastly, they are consistently strong on chart. I AM and Kitsch still fighting for top spots despite songs being a month old. I AM still #1 on Vibe, Youtube and Flo blocking Spicy from RAK PAK. All 4 title tracks+ 1 prerelease are still charting on top 70 (Eleven #62 last week). All 5 songs are on Melon Building chart top 50 (After LIKE #7/ Kitach #9 / Love Dive #10 / I AM #16 / Eleven #45). Never seen so much love from koreans for a non big3 GG

Quote from Fluffers

Other than fan bars, which says nothing of their digital power. There's nothing to suggest that Aespa has a bigger foothold in china than I-dle.

I can guarantee you Aespa has more fans than IDLE in China. Especially when you look at the sales and prices+demans of the photocards. But Yuqi is still the most popular out of all these due to her promotion in China in Running Man. Followed by Karina