Posts by quantumphysics

Quote from Afriyieau1

I agree with points 1 & 2 that Asian acts being in a xenophobic industry, they need a bigger push by their fans to get to the next level. That’s very true but I think blinks show up for BP though. I haven’t really seen the girls not being treated well at all the carpet shows they have attended without their fans cheering for them in the background . I mean the turnout won’t be as big as armys but blinks definitely show up for their girls

For your 3rd point I don’t think BP is actually ignoring award shows. Maybe they aren’t being invited and that’s why they aren’t coming because I doubt they won’t turn up to a BBMA if they get the opportunity to have a stage and everything. So I don’t think that point is very dependent on BP activity

For point number 4, BP and even BTS included mostly pop up on late night shows and interviews when they have music to promote. And BP barely release anything that’s why it feels like they aren’t doing much interviews.

Point number 5 will also depend on the audience. Exclusivity has worked for some acts in the past so it’s not a bad strategy. But I kinda understand you in the sense that an artiste trying to sell themselves out there, exclusivity will kill you. If BP becomes a well established act in the west then they can continue with that strategy but for now they need to put themselves out there. YG needs to change things up.

Lady Gaga’s collab with BP was for her own song on her album so if any promotion was supposed to happen, it depends on her label, not YG or BP.

I do admit they capitalized on Money late. The song was only pushed on radio after the hype has died.

Display More

Everything you say is true and each and every point just does them disfavor imo.

I don't really remember them doing any high profile music event where they were the talk of the town. I think the Variety group of the year award was a thing but I don't know if they attended or not. I don't see many interviews from and not many performances too.

Award shows not inviting them is probably true. Doubt any artist would pass the chance but it's likely that award shows don't want multiple korean acts on their stage.

I think exclusivity works for artists who are already established. People like Beyoncé for example. But these artists had to grind their way before they reached that level.

I am not here to drag people but rather drop an interesting tidbit that duck penis is spiral in shape.

Quote from Afriyieau1

Don’t you think their scanty discography plays a big part in this? I mean if they were releasing music more frequently I think it would have been easier for them to maintain their presence in the industry

I feel like each time BP releases a song, there’s an upward rise that is cut off as soon as they are about to reach a new level of popularity. The emptiness between each of their comebacks really kills their momentum

Kind of. I think there are a confluences of factors. I'll try to explain them point wise.

1. They are an asian act so they have it difficult in the US. What they need is a dedicated fandom push. More than what their fans do. Almost to the BTS level.

2. Taking that point I think they are not able to prove a tangible demand. When I say that I mean something more than just high streaming numbers. I mean fans showing up for them whenever they do a gig. Taking BTS as an example because the podcast name drops Fake Love, when they came to US they had people showing up for them. They shocked everyone. Nobody cared about the social artist award but they made it a thing.

3. Another thing is their lack of live performances. They don't perform or show up at award shows or late night shows or music festivals as performers so they can't show that people will turn up for them. They don't gain new fans that are performance oriented.

4. They would need to be more present in front of different audiences. They do not get a SNL performance because they probably get treated like a novelty. They need to do more interviews.

5. There is a reason they have made a name in the fashion industry. It's because they show up to various events.

Exclusivity works but to a certain level. It's why you see them reach a high but fizzle out.

Also I think their label is weird. They have had 4 big fumbles:

1. Not releasing music after Coachella hype.

2. Not capitalizing off the Lady Gaga collab (should have pushed it more)

3. Not promoting (doing late night circuits, interviews, performances) after The Album roll out and

4. Being late with pushing Money after it went viral.

They have always focused on virality instead of trying to cement themselves in the pop culture "conscience" more. You do that not by high streaming numbers. I have so many artists I listen to that I don't even know anything about because I am just listening to something casually for enjoyment. You do that by showing up and your fans showing up for you.

I think they wanted a #1 album and a top 10 radio single. The folks in the podcast say that. They were aiming for a BNA nom at the grammys so I guess while the songs and album did well it didn't do what they wanted. Blackpink probably wants to cement themselves in the US pop culture (BNA nom ambition) but there seems to be a kind of novelty to them. What they need is more performances, play concerts or music festivals, appear on shows but anyways this is all a guess from my side.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

idk, i've been hearing a lot of concerts selling out in US, and tons of people going.

bts was huge, and there will def be a difference, but saying that kpop will die out seems like a strech, especially with the growing success with other artists. just because because bts is on a pause, doesn't mean anything else will. not every fan only follows bts, there's still a lot to look forward to for groups and fans.

if kpop dies out, then it would take a long long time for a large percentage of fans to lose interest. kpop caters to international fans a lot more now, and makes it more accessible for them to enjoy other artists a lot more easily even if its not in person. kpop really, really grew over covid with the help of online contests.

although bts has a lot of fans, i think its not a fair evaluation to assume that there aren't other groups that fans can be just as invested in.

Display More

No I do not think kpop will die out. It will always have stability in the sense that it will maintain a loyal fanbase and they will check out for the artists. It's the massive economic bubble that is around its western push that I am focusing on. I think it's a possibility that 10 years down the lane the industry might once again be relegated to the kcon level. Blackpink's upcoming comeback is going to be very detrimental. Also knowing SM ent. is going through some ownership crisis all the eyes are there. I think the narrative that kpop is this growing future of music might change that's all.

Quote from Sweet-Spice

people did discuss it weeks after, it just seems like you're all basing this off your POV which is a weak argument.

Hmm

Quote from bobsyouruncle

lmao what

As in they are casuals at best and just for a few groups.

Quote from Sweet-Spice

guessing you missed the day and week fandoms did a temporary get together to create a top trending hashtag on twitter to call it a scam and drag SKZ through fifth because they were that bitter, it was discussed, a lot by fans and non-fans. Well after as well. We posted multiple threads on here with articles.

I hope that clears things up if you didn't witness yourself.

Billboard even had a twitter space interview with the group about it, to also call out the people crying about the "cheating". I can link that thread. We listened to it live on main!

I was there. I am talking about the following weeks when it seemed everyone just moved on. BTS and Blackpink generated interest in a way they kept people talking even when they were not doing anything. I do not see that happen with any other group and knowing how heavily dependent the industry is on engagement it's baffling and worrying for the industry POV.

Quote from zuzuhhaa

just because bts is on hiatus doesn't mean the millions of international fans now will just disappear

I do not think these people are really interested in kpop in a tangible way.

Quote from tetetete

but its not the industry that pushes...its not the industry that pushed bts, its the fans

and for any asian act to make it big in the west, its the fans who have to push

its pretty obvious that US labels donot care and korean labels dont have enough resources to make a big push

Good point. US sees kpop as a means to tap into a new market and the social capital it brings in the form of engagements. They are not interested in artist development so the success of an asian artist will always have to be fan driven there.

Quote from tetetete

this is like so opposite of what bts are trying to do lmao

they are literally adding the bts tag to their solo collabs

they are trying their best to balance out their grp and solo activities

and kpop will be just fine, i don't think anyone is expecting a bts kind of performance from any of the current grps

u talked about skz but then expected a bts kind of buzz around their number 1 on bb

i think its time ppl accept bts are most likely an outlier

Display More

I don't think BTS wants that tbh. They seem pressured by the commotion around them and just want to do their own thing for sometime. Ofcourse it's not a disbandment but still a huge change and as we can see by the reception in the industry folks over there are startled and wary.

It's not an attack on SKZ. I am merely asking why is the industry which badly needs a new face to carry it right now is not scrambling behind them with a lot more push?

Let's be real kpop is in a bind. It's not growing beyond its pre-existing niche and in fact I think it's actually shrinking. BTS as solo artists will do different things, tap into different audiences and will do things that might set them too apart from the idol industry that the industry might not be able to keep up. Look at Jhope's solo. I don't think the goal there is mainstream success.

Remember the KSA president's letter? That so called reputed critic who was shading BTS for not being grateful to the industry and criticizing them? Lamenting their "lack of consideration" for the industry? The idol industry desperate to become successful in America. Has always been. BTS's name gave the genre weight and the narrative kpop is growing some power. But now what?

I do not think they are growing much in Asia too. Japan seems resistant largely. Groups do well enough for a narrative but not THAT well. Chinese market is becoming more resistant too and it's hard for korean artists to navigate the landscape there. South East Asia has always been a consumer but I feel like kpop has maximized their audience there and it's stable.

Groups who are already established are doing well like Twice, BP, etc. But why does it seem that the newer groups (4th gen and beyond) aren't gaining new fans? If people are checking them out it's the pre-existing fans in the kpop community. SKZ went #1 on Billboard but why do I not see anybody talking about them? Where are the fans? Where are the articles?

Now ofcourse I also understand not every artist wants a break out and that should not be a standard but talking about the industry (you know folks like the singers associations, critics, journalists, executives) they are desperate to push a narrative. It's a business and I wanna see how they do in future.

Edit: I am talking about music solely. Movies and dramas are a wider conversation and maybe we can talk about them later.

Quote from laecroix

Why would you bring Grammy to your song, J-Hope? It was very good until that verse

? It's a song about greed and going crazy for one's work. BTS are Grammy nominated artists? Why can't they mention it?

Quote from BlackpinkHouse

How about Jungkook, i thought he released something recently?

He is doing well. As always BTS's pop tracks do well. Kpop stans sure like some radio hits no matter how much edgy they act on forums and claim dark is better. At least the new ones.

I have known you since 2019 and it seems you have lost the steam too SeulgiAbs. How did this happen? You used to be relevant. Now you are a fad.

Quote from jellybean-7

transphpbia is such fun tho

all the other stuff you listed is awful tho

Wtf are you talking about?

They will soon start doing tarot collabs with YouTube.

Yes because they have been trolling their way into my heart.

Kpop stans should be worried. If BTS declines the kpop hallyu wave dies. 90s grunge music throwback. So many kpop idols would feel it