Posts by 9397Duo
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They must be really rich
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His “soon” is 9 months and more.
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They’re always one step ahead. While other companies are now dipping their toes in the US again, BigHit and their acts are looking at expanding their reach to India, which is an untapped market that holds so much potential.
Gotta thank that viral BTS X Chunari Chunari edit for helping turn BigHit’s head towards this market.
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I won’t speak on behalf of ONCES here since I’m not one but I’ll accept your personal apology. We often get caught up in our emotions when trying to express our opinions and sometimes we feel like we’re talking to a brick wall because we want the other side to agree with us so it happens. And the new AKP is worse in terms of regulating bashing posts and troll behaviour than the old forum.
Still, whatever I said in that particular thread was my honest surprise and not a shade towards your faves.
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I am not that sure about that because the pandemic changed their plans. I think not even all the dates were revealed before the cancellation so it is not certain we would have even BE the way it is now.
I don't think BH actually expected the album to sell only 36k the second month after release and during the Christmas season but again this is my opinion. Like it is my opinion that almost no Army thought that this album would sell less than 3 mil before the pre orders and the price were revealed. But it did happen.
But even if you are right, if this release now is what they actually planned and thought it was a good idea, then it is even sadder.
Hmm, I disagree with that 3M prediction. “Almost no ARMY” predicted less? I remember the threads made last year about how much it would sell once the price was revealed and there didn’t seem to be any news of a standard edition. A lot of us, including me, expected it to sell around 1M at best. Some of us even lowered our expectations to 800-900k.
When it sold 2.6M, we were surprised, especially after the C-ARMY and CCP fiasco who could’ve added another million to those numbers.
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500k to 1M since it’s likely not even a repack where you get brand new packaging and new songs. This one works in reverse where you get the standard version with the same cover and same songs later, 2 months after the main release. Think of the SLA Repack they’d re-released last year which sold up to 600k+.
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Not only BTS lots of groups have recieved so much hate back then. Both 2nd and 3rd gen has dragged each other. But instead of changing that toxic culture ARMYs have even taken it to the next level.
It's funny you compare the 2012's influence to 2017's influence. Time, situation & everything has different.
BB has been invited in US award shows and recieved awards. But yet your fellow ARMY has called them some token Asian group and they had no real US fans lmao. Then how they could chart in BB200 in 2012. The difference is during 2nd gen no one has cared about success. We have just enjoyed the music. We haven't even know BB has gone to US, recieved awards. We haven't even had goal for YT streaming. Everything was just going by the flow. But now it's all about success. That success is much more fueled by mass streaming, mass voting & bulk buying.
it’s not the VMAs, dude. The EMAs are not a US award show ffs but a European alternative to it. Stop lying about BB being the first to attend a US award show when they weren’t.
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Most likely an LGO Remix or a new MV (hopefully for Telepathy)!
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I didn’t buy the deluxe so I may be buying this one.
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Finally, a version I may be able to afford!
I think many ARMYs have already expressed what I was going to say about BigHit only revealing and releasing the “standard”/more affordable version of the album now after being vague about its existence throughout the entire rollout of the Deluxe edition to get only rich ARMYs to buy a $50 album during the pandemic. The classists and company stans have defended their decisions at every turn with their “It’s a luxury, not a necessity” justification, knowing full well that this is Kpop where fans obsessively doing everything they can to support their faves’ charting/sales (which usually includes buying physical albums) is the norm and BigHit is aware of this, especially with fans’ knowledge of the boys being more heavily involved in its creation than before.
“They never said there was going to be a standard version” y’all say, right in the face of BigHit cheekily naming the album a “Deluxe Edition” when those two words together have always meant an alternative (extended) version of an album exists for any other artist. Guess that despite making more bank on it, they still wanted MOTS:7’s sales numbers.
It’s even more ironic that they keep calling this a gift. If you have to shell out more money than usual to purchase something, it’s not a gift of “appreciation”.
Anyway, I’ll be buying this one although I wish they had released this earlier during the Grammy voting period at least.
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This is just an excuse to flex about your faves, isn’t it, OP?
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Nope. Kpop community has already been established in US before BTS. KCON has begun in 2012 in US due to demand. The first KCON held was simple. But it has attracted so many non kpoppers cuz kpop's unqiueness was it's amazing performance. 2013 KCON has attracted double the amount of previous amount of fans. 2014's KCON was massive. It has broadcast by lots of TV channels in various western countries. The grand performances have all published in various US publications. It was also after the whole world knew the existence of PSY's GS. Due to its success KCON has started to be held in other countries since then. BTS was in 2014's KCON. The rest story is all credits to BTS. They have stand out from other kpop groups, they were hardworking and talented. That's why they have achieved this height. But without that initial demand created by 2nd gen groups we don't know story would be different. In 2015, Emma Stone has mentioned SNSD and 2ne1 during TV and said the amazing performances of KPOP. They whole crowd was shouting & clapping it shows kpop was still there. 2nd gen groups have showed amazing performances that's why in the first lots of TV channels in the west has decided to broadcast it. If they have really failed no TV channel would broadcast it in the first place.
Yeah lol, nope. The audacity to compare mere Kcon concerts to TVXQ’s revival of Hallyu in Japan where they’d brought Kpop to the mainstream there. Where you’re not just selling a few albums and doing small Kpop shows but selling out domes, stadiums, getting hit songs and appearing on the biggest shows in Japan. When Japanese labels would also sign these Kpop groups instead of just bringing them over for 1 or 2 joint concerts.
When myaza said that past acts had failed to succeed in the US, she wasn’t talking about starting small niches and conventions that only Kpop fans would know. She meant Kpop groups actually being able to make a dent on their charts and compete with local acts, appear more than once on their most popular shows, establishing direct album distribution for their peers in Kpop and creating more opportunities for US labels to actually sign these groups and take them under their wing among others. She’s referring to Kpop starting to become a more normalized topic of conversation in the media and pop culture. Past acts like Wonder Girls and SNSD have tried appearing on a few shows in the US but where has that led them? CL signed with a US label too but that got her nowhere and no one else followed. Why were Kpop companies so averse to focusing promotions in US and the West after them? Why was there only a huge industry belief and push to start heavily focusing on US promotions after 2017?
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This is exactly what happened to kpop in the west. There were failed attempts and then no company tried again before BTS made kpop a thing. If TVXQ gets credit for restarting kpop in Asia, BTS gets credit for restarting kpop's western ambitions.
Noone is denying that 1st and 2nd gen had impact in Asia., especially TVXQ in Japan.
Precisely.
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Where did I say you were shading them? Lol.
I said give credit where credit’s due to the actual pioneers of Kpop first before trying to push 3rd Gen fandoms to bow down to your 2nd gen faves while ignoring the ones who paved the way for yours. Without Seo Taiji, there would be no Kpop. Without Yang Hyun Suk, there would be no BigBang. Heck, without the Japanese idol industry, the Kpop idol industry that all our faves including yours thrive in would never have even existed.
This whole “paving the way” BS blew up in the community because certain 2nd gen fandoms were writing essays on how their faves deserved to be in BTS’ place back in 2017 everytime they appeared on American TV. Since they couldn’t change the the situation, they flooded the comments section whining about how BTS should thank their seniors for getting to appear on Ellen and Kimmel.
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Maybe start giving credit to the founders of Kpop and the 1st Gen first before demanding we credit your 2nd gen faves.
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At some point we have to make a mega thread about this instead of posting the same damn thread every week.
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Shooter ARMYs who defend BTS and correct antis who try to misrepresent BTS’ achievements and numbers or accuse them of malicious acts are fine. Because if no one steps in to refute lies and misinformation about them and all ARMYs play nice, people will start believing them as the truth and pass falsities on to newer fans. It’s partly the reason why Carats have to deal with Kpop fans constantly overlooking 17’s achievements and top group status—because their fans are too caught up in being the “nice” fandom that they’re not vocal enough about their faves’ accomplishments.
But shooter ARMYs who purposely scour the Internet to find one random account with only 10 followers calling BTS ugly and untalented just to quote them with clapbacks so the rest of the fandom would view them as Bangtan’s savage “saviors” have gotta go. They’re the ones blowing up irrelevant tweets with 5 Likes that should’ve been ignored and forgotten.
