Posts by Teudungi21

JYPE is a cheap company and Twice is treated the worst out of any top group. This has been known for a long time but people mistake comebacks for quality treatment. Twice is one of the most hated on groups in kpop and its often due to JYPE incompetence

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Are you trying too hard? You have just defined steadiness as a mathematical function? LoL

It is just simple; steadiness is not what can be achieved easily with the new chart which was intended to be a better-reflecting chart.

And FYI, LSG is also still in top 10 on FLO which hasn't had any kind of reform.

FLO didn't even exist. Look I dont know maybe English isnt your first language so im not trying to judge but Im saying first and foremost LSG is a huge hit which you need to have steadiness. This chart stabilizes the Melon chart where in the past it used to be easier to get your song into the top ten through targeted streaming. This makes that way harder and makes getting into the top ten harder in general. LSG is. a huge hit so not only did it make it into the top ten, a harder thing now than it was in the past, but has lasted something not easy unless the song is huge. But given that the song is a huge hit it is more likely to stay in the top ten. Thats what I mean, im not really making it hard at all, LSG is doing amazing and this chart stabilized a previously more chaotic chart. Not an insult to BP or something diminishing BP achievement. Its just the truth.

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More steady? Really? ICSM broke into top 20 but look where it is now, not so steady I guess.

I said it is if you have a genuine hit song. ICSM did well but it was not a hit song on the level of LSG and Dynamite.

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If chart reform is the reason why LSG managed to stay in TOP10 for 17weeks, then why dont ICSM able to do the same? Twice is the nation's girl group right? Or at least, why ICSM failed to enter the top 10?

MelOn chart reform is a blessing for the fortunate and disaster for the unfortunate. Dingga managed to enter top10 but didnt stay for too long like LSG

Chart reform is not a reason, LSG would've been out if GP dont like. GP likes it = Longer on chart

Because ICSM isnt a huge hit like LSG? Both things can be true. The new chart is completely different and in my opinion probably more accurate than the old and it has made it more stable so while it is harder to get into the top ten it is also harder to completely fall out if you have a genuine hit song. How is this not clicking?

the charts now are way more steady than they used to be. I dont know why people even compare anymore. LSG is huge without having to compare it to CU which was released 5 years ago on a completely different chart system. I know why your doing it because you hate Twice and use BP achievements to diminish them but any other people have to know its a joke.

For third gen you will always have BTS as the top unquestionably. After them you could argue about Twice, EXO, and BP. Wannaone was also huge but their limited time hinders them. 4th gen maybe but it is just beginning.

Twice has been wearing ohh my girl merch for the longest time

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Girl.. no... This is an appreciation thread... She is not just a good singer. She is becoming one of the most confident girls in K-pop. Her whole aura changed for the best!!! She is essential in BP, ESSENTIAL!

I agree she is essential in BP. I also think as an actor she will really shine in her own way.

I think Jisoo is amazing but I do think being in a group with people like Jennie and Lisa can be overshadowing. However, I really think that her branching off into acting is the right choice and people will see how amazing she is. I just know she will be a great actress. She is a good singer as well but I really feel that acting is her calling.

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Yea it is clearly copied. From the sleeve trims to the tassels to the gold semicircle trim. Except it looks like those knock offs you buy on Wish. I don’t understand why a company like JYP would hire stylists that do this? For a top group like Twice?

Twice is literally one of the worst treated top groups in Kpop they just work so damn much people mistake that shit for quality treatment.

The stylist is pretty unprofessional in my view if she is currently styling for JYP and could not go through more private channels to handle this situation rather than call Twice and JYPE out publicly. If she did try it first then it is completely understandable but if not then while her anger is justified it is very childish.

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I dont think so, but to be honest a lot have smaller operations so. Maybe not the whole nose but maybe something

I made these on the previous site but I updated some info so I thought I would post it again.

Daesung Planning: 1987~1997, A Tepid Start

If there was one Entertainment company that challenged SM Entertainment during the 90s and to some extent even to the early 2010s, it was DSP. It is not a stretch to say that Daesung Enterprise (now DSP Media) and SM Entertainment owned the Korean Pop Music scene of the late 90s and early 2000s. DSP’s story began in the 80s music scene of Korea which was seriously oppressed due to the overbearing policies of the dictator Chun Doo-hwan. Broadcasting companies such as MBC and KBS were as censored as ever but sexual suggestive aspects of pop culture received far less scrutiny under the Chun regime than it had under its predecessor Park regime. The eighties also saw a change in who was the primary consumer of Pop culture, teenagers now began to see their rise as one of the primary consumers of the Pop culture market. In particular teenage girl fans began to dominate the market and were dubbed “oppa budae”. It was thus that during the 80s dance music began to find its footing. It was into this scene where the Dance Trio SoBangCha or “Firetruck” debuted with the man who help of a man named Lee Ho-yeon.

SoBangCha

Lee Ho-yeon was an impressive man, graduating high school in Daejeon and entering college as a physical education major at Sungkyunkwan University in Seoul. In college Lee Hoyeon meet many individuals that helped him in the entertainment world. One such individual was Yang Seung-guk, President of Hanbat Planning, who in 1981 invited Lee Ho-yeon to join his company and become a manager for then singer Taejin. It was during this time that the group SoBangCha was found by Lee Ho-yeon and Yang Seung-guk. The group was created by three friends; Kim Tae-hyung, Jeong Won-kwan, and Lee Sang-won. The group debuted in 1987 under Hanbat Planning at the direction of executive director Lee Ho-yeon and was initially named Butterfly Sin in the Cosmos, this was changed, due to the difficulty of the pronunciation, to SoBangCha or “Firetruck”. The group became the prototype for future K-pop groups such as H.O.T, Sechskies and S.E.S. The group debuted in 1987 with the song “Last Night” and instantly became a big hit gaining many female fans. There were tensions in the group however and member Lee Sang-won left the group in 1988 and was soon replaced later that same year by Do Geon-woo. The group then released their second album to even more success and acclaim. The title song of their second album released in 1988 had more hits with “White Wind”, and “Top Secret”. Soon after their 2^nd album, their 3^rd album was released in 1989 and was met with similar success. However, the groups success was not without problems as frictions within the group continued to plague them. That same year, SoBangCha participated in the KBS animated film “Wonder Kitty of the Universe” and released a Best of album. However, the friction would catch up to the group and they would disband in 1990. During his time at Hanbat Planning, Lee Ho-yeon also managed other singers such as Yu-yeol and Shim-sin, but SoBangCha was his biggest accomplishment at the company.

In 1991 Lee Ho-yeon finally left Hanbat Planning and founded Daesung Planning, also known as Daesung Enterprise. The company was quick to release their first artist named Kim Gyu-min with his first album titled A Classic Story in 1991. The debut did poorly and thus Daesung Planning did not get off to a successful start. Daesung Planning then shifted gears and released the first CO-ED group in the history of K-pop known as ZAM. The group was created fresh off the success of Seo Taiji & Boys and looked to capitalize on their massive success. The group consisted of Jo Jin-su, Yun Hyeon-sook, Hwang Hyun-min, Shin Sung-bin, and Kim Hyun-jung. The group released their first album titled I Won’t Stop in 1992 to decent success and won several awards at music shows. The title song, “I Won’t Stop”, became popular among teenagers and the members gained popularity due to their good looks. Following this success ZAM released a Secret Remix album in 1993 with a remix of their debut song after some plagiarism controversy. Before the release of their second album members Hwang Hyun-min and Shin Sung-bin decided to leave the group due to a fight about import distributions. The group would continue with the remaining members and in December of 1993 release their 2^nd Album titled Awkward Feeling, this album did not see the same success as “I Won’t Stop” and this was the beginning of the end for the first K-pop CO-ED group. ZAM would do an OST for the SBS drama Dr. Jackie Chan in 1993 but this would not help their situation. The group would release their final album in 1995 titled ZAM 3 Sounds with the title track “My Own Reasons” which again did not met expectations and continued the downward spiral that the group was experiencing. ZAM member Jo Jin-su would release his 1^stsolo album that year titled You and I, this was also met with little success and the group continued to face poor prospects.

ZAM

CO CO

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In 1993 Daesung Planning also released their first girl duo named CO CO. The group was made up of Lee Hye-young and ZAM member Yun Hyeon-suk. Lee Hye-young had made her musical debut in the rock group 1730 in an underground music club in 1990. Lee Hye-young was thinking about quitting music all together but Lee Ho-yeon contacted her and convinced her to join a duo with ZAM member Yun Hyeon-suk. CO CO would debut in 1993 with their album, COCO Vol1 Missing You, find decent popularity. This debut was quickly followed by their second album titled You’re Inside Feeling, this release seemed to follow the path that past Daesung singers had had and did not live up to the success of the 1^st album. Daesung Planning would release their second CO-ED group named MUE in 1994 with the debut album titled MUE and their title track named “New Feeling”. The group was made up of members Lee Yoon-sung, Lee Ji-hoon, Yu Young-chae, Kim Joon-Hee, Yang Hyuk, and Kim Nana. During the promotions for their debut song Kim Nana left the group and joined another group. As 1995 began both CO CO and ZAM would disband and Daesung would be in the precarious position of having debuted three failed artists in a row. Before the release of MUE’s second album members Lee Ji-hoon and Yang hyuk would leave the group to be replaced by Lee Chang-seok.[1] This new four-member MUE, now the only group with Daesung Planning, released their 2^nd and final album titled MUE II with the title track “Another Aspect of Me”, which, like their first album, saw very little success. The song would reach a peak at 21 on the K-pop Top Ten chart. It was at this time that Daesung reevaluated themselves as they had not yet released an artist that found consistent success through multiple releases.

MUE

They came back in February of 1996 with the duo IDOL which was composed of members Choi Hyuk-joon and Lee Se-sung, both members being in their mid-teens. Debuting artist so young was new to the Korean music scene but it would start a trend that continues to this day. The group found great success with their debut album IDOL and their title track “BOW WOW “and it looked like Daesung had finally found their footing. The group soon released their second album titled The Second Coming in November of 1996 and this too found major success. IDOL ended the year with a Christmas carol titled Idol in Christmas. That same year Daesung released a duo called Mountain. This duo was made up of former Mue member Kim Joon-hee and Oh Chang-hoon from a group called Check. Mountian’s debut album was titled Mountain and their title track was named “TANGO TANGO”. This group did not find the same acclaim as their brother group IDOL and did not release another album after their debut. Kim Joon-hee after having two chances at a singing career with Mue and Mountain, would finally leave Daesung Planning. Oh Chang-hoon would also leave and eventually join JYP Entertainments duo One-Two.

IDOL

Mountain

The year 1997 would begin tough for Daesung Planning as the duo IDOL suddenly announced their disbandment to the public with their final song titled, Good-bye My Friends. But this year would also see Daesung’s rise to fortune as they would debut their most successful group so far, Sechskies.

This early period of Daesung Planning was tough and saw them debut artists to promising starts only to have them flounder with their 2^nd album. Daesung Planning and Lee Ho-yeon can be differentiated from SM Entertainment by their tendency to debut CO-ED groups and by their not so strict idol creation system. Daesung Planning did train individuals like SM Entertainment but their focus was different and did not look at a trainee’s character development as much as SM’s training did and instead focused on creating realistic groups and music. This approach would especially show with their first big group, Sechskies.

[1] https://newslibrary.naver.com/…o=15451&publishType=00010

I feel reborn