so about Garam

I'm writing it here because I'm not interested in fighting over this on my main. So, there's this thread in the main forum that is filled with people feeling bad and defending Garam, and I can't help but feel uncomfortable about it. I can't blame the kfans for not favoring Garam, because her situation is not cleared up yet and it's still not proven that she's not a bully and she didn't make other people's life miserable. Sure, it's partly the company's fault, they could have released statements on updates of their investigation, and make the accuser apologize, but there have been absolutely nothing since the first one, which was extremely vague, it said that she was actually a victim of bullying, well then where's the proof?? What proved to me even more that she wasn't all that innocent was how at the press conference, when she was asked that question. Another member(obviously scripted) had to answer it. She could have easily said it herself, and confidently said that she indeed was not a bully, but she did not do that, she's just hiding behind the company. Hybe is a company that really treasures reputation, take Mingyu's bullying scandal for example, the company actually went to contact all the alleged "victims" and confirmed that Mingyu did not bully them, and also talked to the accuser and the situation was resolved pretty cleanly. But it's been some time since Garam's one came out and the company is showing absolutely no interest in investigation or keeping up with it, it's obvious that they're simply wishing it will die down because they know ifans will definitely defend her all the way because she's pretty. I don't get why the company didn't delay the debut and wait till they finished investigation before they debuted. Of course kfans would not feel comfortable rooting for an alleged "iljin" because I definitely can't do that too. I hate Knets but I'm on their side on this, the company and Garam actually needs to come out and clarify about this. I can't even listen to Fearless despite me loving Chaewon and Sakura so much because of this, I click on the MV and that girl has the first line, I swiped youtube off immediately

I've been bullied before in middle school and it has robbed away any chance of me forming a proper friendship for probably the rest of my life, even if they change, it doesn't erase the effects to the victim of what they did to them, so unless the victim genuinely forgives the bully, I don't think the bully deserves to receive so much love, that is just simply fake and disgusting

I don't know if this will be approved, I hope it will be though

Hybe is an inexperienced company, they don't know how to handle such situation i think they tried to do what sm did with karina situation but its a whole different scenario because people are still coming out with their stories.

I mean I don’t believe she’s innocent either but some knetz been going to far, bullying her calling her disgusting names…

I wouldn't put my hands in the fire for her either. Maybe she isn't a bully, but with everything that has come out things are at least suspicious, and I dont feel comfortable stanning someone like that. However like some comment above, throwing hate on her isn't the way to go either. I think everyone should stay neutral about this, not defending or attacking until things are cleared. Being ignored by fans is better than getting hate though. I just know I wont blindly support someone I know nothing about.

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I mean I don’t believe she’s innocent either but some knetz been going to far, bullying her calling her disgusting names…

exactly. it's not that she's innocent, what the people (including me) in that thread were trying to say, is that two wrongs do not make a right. people are bullying her and acting like it's okay. it's not.

Chaewon did her job as the group leader. There's nothing fishy or weird in that. A sensitive question was asked and she took on her to respond as it is expected from the leader. She said what needed to be said and redirected the question to the company which job is to take care of these matters. Why should we expect Garam to address this personally? Look at how it served Soojin last year.

Every time I am feeling into the group I see discussions about her pop up and it just becomes a huge turn-off, honestly. As of right now, I don't really believe she is innocent and the excuses her fans are coming up with to say otherwise just make it even worse because it's obvious they don't care about the victims at all (some even straight-up admit it without shame, but I guess they are at least better than the ones who try to deny and dismiss everything).

They say it isn't her in the pictures because it doesn't look like her which makes zero sense because that would have been the easiest thing to disprove if it was false. For one, Garam had work done on her face so yeah, her pre-debut pictures may not look completely the same, but that isn't even the main issue. The main issue is that Garam did not go to school in a vacuum. If it wasn't her in those pictures then why did not a single person from her school, not even the friends in the very same picture with her come forward to say it was someone else? Not only did they not deny it was her, but they instead came up with a completely other excuse and that was to say "she didn't see the board" which, being serious, anyone could see that's a lie.

Plus, her being kicked out of her old school for smashing another girl's head into a brick wall. Again, she did not go to school in a vacuum. if she was truly innocent of that, she should have had multiple shields flying up from her old school to defend her. Instead, the only ones that came forward to defend her were exposed as being fake.

The only somewhat plausible defense of her fans that make sense is the photo of her smoking. Yeah, that could have been a lollipop and could have been edited. Everything else though? Not looking very convincing for her.

As for HYBE? At the end of the day, they are just a business, and like all businesses, they are going to first look after their own self-interest no matter what. Whether Garam is truly innocent or not doesn't actually matter to them, just if they can still get their money out of her by clearing up the situation. If they really cared about the situation, or even Garam herself, they would have pushed back her debut until the situation was resolved. Now her fans are out here blaming everyone else.

I mean, I still won't write her off as guilty though, at least not until we see the results of the court.

Totally agree. I can't understand the people who's been siding with her.

From all we've got until now nothing is in her favor.

Hybe really topped with those photos from "different" people excusing her which were made by the same dirty camera.

Ignoring her is the least fans can do for now.

I don't understand why hybe decided to go with the debut when this mess came out. Or at least they should have let her stay out of the debut.

I'm sure people who're interested in the group don't even feel good about supporting a bully.

This situation is so detrimental to everyone...

From a big company I would have expected a different way to deal with this mess.

Both Chaewon and garam said that an investigation is going on so I guess they can't speak about it and garam can't defend herself because it could cause all kinds of legal issues so they've probably been advised not to say anything. Not saying she's 100% innocent but I just don't think that we should jump to conclusions from that.

I don't understand the people that are willing to throw her under the bus immediately.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? We should wait for it all to play out before being so quick to cancel her.

I understand there are many of you that have been bullied, but you cannot use your past experience to assume the guilt of a stranger.

People can grow and change. People can mature and realise what they did was wrong. Sometimes people don't realise the impacts of their actions. I don't think bullying is always as black and white as people make it out to be. Is one bad interaction bullying? 2 or 3? What about something harsh said in the heat of the moment?

None of us were there. I think it better though, to always side on innocent until proven guilty.

I don't condone the cyberbullying she's been subjected to but I also don't understand the ton of people defending her age trying to assert her innocence. We know absolutely nothing about her. Kpop fans are truly willing to worship about anyone as long as they're pretty and an idol, as soon as or even before they even debut.

whatever i don't really care about idols' past when they were underaged. tons of idols have problematic past and still got away with it so why only picking on this minor girl? nobody deserves to have their career ruined because something they did when they were a kid. if her career is ruined while having everyone knowing her face, it's like her whole life is ruined too and i would feel more sorry for her

They shouldn't put her in the center. She ruins the whole mood. She's not even that good they should make jline the center or put yujin along with sakura in the center.

Idk what did hybe seen in her to push her so much aside from visuals. They never do that to their other groups.

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Every time I am feeling into the group I see discussions about her pop up and it just becomes a huge turn-off, honestly. As of right now, I don't really believe she is innocent and the excuses her fans are coming up with to say otherwise just make it even worse because it's obvious they don't care about the victims at all (some even straight-up admit it without shame, but I guess they are at least better than the ones who try to deny and dismiss everything).

They say it isn't her in the pictures because it doesn't look like her which makes zero sense because that would have been the easiest thing to disprove if it was false. For one, Garam had work done on her face so yeah, her pre-debut pictures may not look completely the same, but that isn't even the main issue. The main issue is that Garam did not go to school in a vacuum. If it wasn't her in those pictures then why did not a single person from her school, not even the friends in the very same picture with her come forward to say it was someone else? Not only did they not deny it was her, but they instead came up with a completely other excuse and that was to say "she didn't see the board" which, being serious, anyone could see that's a lie.

Plus, her being kicked out of her old school for smashing another girl's head into a brick wall. Again, she did not go to school in a vacuum. if she was truly innocent of that, she should have had multiple shields flying up from her old school to defend her. Instead, the only ones that came forward to defend her were exposed as being fake.

The only somewhat plausible defense of her fans that make sense is the photo of her smoking. Yeah, that could have been a lollipop and could have been edited. Everything else though? Not looking very convincing for her.

As for HYBE? At the end of the day, they are just a business, and like all businesses, they are going to first look after their own self-interest no matter what. Whether Garam is truly innocent or not doesn't actually matter to them, just if they can still get their money out of her by clearing up the situation. If they really cared about the situation, or even Garam herself, they would have pushed back her debut until the situation was resolved. Now her fans are out here blaming everyone else.

I mean, I still won't write her off as guilty though, at least not until we see the results of the court.

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The proofs are basically non existent or ridiculous i don't get how u can easily say she's not innocent.U could have just say u are neutral.Some people and her schoolmates actually come forward and deny her allegations but of course you would forget about that part.U actually believed about the part of her smashing a girl to a brick lol if it was true then where's the medical records??It's ridiculous how u wanted to see people coming to shield her but u aren't even asking for proofs of the bullying allegations.

i agree HYBE could've done a better job with handling the scandal but as we saw from their statement - whatever they say, people will still find something wrong and "fishy" with it.

even if garam stood up and screamed "i'm not a bully" with her whole chest at that press conference, people would still label her as a liar because it doesn't fit their narrative. chaewon did the right thing as a leader - she redirected the question to the company because first, it's the company's job to clear up the issue and 2) they're there to promote their album, not to testify in front of the court. plus, garam cannot address accusations, true or not, without a lawyer by her side because even one poorly formulated sentence can cause a huge misunderstanding and even a bigger scandal.

i don't agree with people who're blindly defending her but at the same time i don't agree with the people who're blindingly trashing her because of a couple of pann posts, especially when a solid amount of the accusations against her turned out to be false. after all, everyone is innocent until proven guilty

the accuser have bring no proof to the table, no medical report, no police report, no school record, LITTERALY NOTHING. In most bullying accusation we have seen kpop there is always at least one victim that come forward but here there is only third party. The photo of girls were not her, or were heavily edited (like the photo with the short skirt) or we don't even see the face of the girl in question. The smoking allegations were obviously fake and she was not a gang member, nor a starship trainee.

I am not saying she is innocent she maybe actually was a bully or at least had bad relation with some toxic people but the accusation for now look more like wattpad story than anything else, I simply don't understand how people can look at these accusation and think it is credible, like c'mon, espacially when it is supposed to have happened when she was 12/13 years old.

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the accuser have bring no proof to the table, no medical report, no police report, no school record, LITTERALY NOTHING. In most bullying accusation we have seen kpop there is always at least one victim that come forward but here there is only third party. The photo of girls were not her, or were heavily edited (like the photo with the short skirt) or we don't even see the face of the girl in question. The smoking allegations were obviously fake and she was not a gang member, nor a starship trainee.

I am not saying she is innocent she maybe actually was a bully or at least had bad relation with some toxic people but the accusation for now look more like wattpad story than anything else, I simply don't understand how people can look at these accusation and think it is credible, like c'mon, espacially when it is supposed to have happened when she was 12/13 years old.

The victims are the same age. Dumb kpop stans don't realize that no medical/school/police record hasn't come out because HYBE blocked it and sued extremely fast, all signs which point towards it being mostly true. I am still going to be impartial but no one supporting her, where even Lovelyz Jisoo did have supporters is really bad.

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The proofs are basically non existent or ridiculous i don't get how u can easily say she's not innocent.U could have just say u are neutral.Some people and her schoolmates actually come forward and deny her allegations but of course you would forget about that part.U actually believed about the part of her smashing a girl to a brick lol if it was true then where's the medical records??It's ridiculous how u wanted to see people coming to shield her but u aren't even asking for proofs of the bullying allegations.

Not even going to waste my time arguing with you because you obviously did not read anything I said.

I think if you find it disturbing stanning an alleged bully because of your past experience then that’s your feelings. No one can invalidate that. I just hope that it’s not your anger at your bully that is spilling onto Garam.

We still don’t know if she is a bully and to what extent. Even if she did, spewing hate on her (I really can’t understand how some can justify their actions here) is cyberbullying so it’s ironic.

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I think if you find it disturbing stanning an alleged bully because of your past experience then that’s your feelings. No one can invalidate that. I just hope that it’s not your anger at your bully that is spilling onto Garam.

We still don’t know if she is a bully and to what extent. Even if she did, spewing hate on her (I really can’t understand how some can justify their actions here) is cyberbullying so it’s ironic.

It just bothers me how people's first reaction is to jump in and defend her rather than staying neutral about it just because she's pretty, I feel like those people defending her are just as weird as those hating on her