Taliban expresses 'desire' to join China's belt & road

Tailbans are the biggest hypocrites lol. They care more about controlling Afghanistan, than they do for the country & it's people.

Taliban isn't the only country with Muslim majority willing to work with CCP. Islam is like Christianity with so many sects that don't like each other. Obviously when talking about geopolitics and money, religion will take a back seat. It's just a tool for an objective (in Taliban's case is to create a Pashtun Emirate).

Pretty sure majority Pashtun will not care much about Uyghurs because they are Muslims. The Pashtun are at odds with other minorities there in the first place and they are Muslims as well. The Hazaras in Afghanistan may be closer related to Uyghurs and they suffer similar oppression from the Taliban.

So please don't use religion in this context to point out hypocrisy. Islam isn't a unified religion and they don't have a problem slaughtering and abusing each other. I think it can work in other contexts like Arab countries throwing Palestinians under the bus, but it doesn't work well with Taliban and Uyghurs as a critic.

Anyway, they are doing their weird PR trying to sell an "inclusive" government to get legitimacy and get some of the blocked funds to run the country. Obviously, no one will fall for that, so all they can do is sell their country to China. After all both are oppressive against their minorities. It's a match made in hell.

China is all about control they will invest to basically control the country.

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and it doesn't make those countries any less hypocritical.

only problem is China is against the entirety of Islam in their country

pointing out that different kinds of muslims don't like each doesn't make a difference to what i said. China is Islamophobic period!

I think you don't quite get it why it doesn't work as an argument.

Muslims aren't all the same. The Taliban oppress other Muslims just like China like the Hazaras who are closed related to Uyghurs. That's what I'm pointing out that trying to shame their supposed hypocrisy is useless and maybe a bit simplistic like throwing all Muslims in the same box. Trying to point out the hypocrisy of other Central Asian countries with Turkic majority countries and maybe Turkey sure, I kinda get the hypocrisy (although these nations are dictatorships under weird narcissists usually). However, for Pashtun and Taliban it doesn't work to point out this supposed hypocrisy. There are Uyghurs in Afghanistan as well and pretty sure they are shitting themselves with the Taliban in control. They may deport them to China.

Well, China is anti-religion anyway. Maybe some religions more close related to majority Han Chinese and under CCP de facto control get some leeway, but other religious group like Christians and Tibetan Buddhists also suffer or suffered under them. They aren't just Islamophobic per se. That's too simplistic of a label for both Taliban and CCP.

What I'm trying to say is these type of shaming is kinda useless and simplistic view of the situation. Taliban has more in common with CCP than with Uyghurs. I don't disagree with both governments being abhorrent, but I'm just pointing out why this hypocrisy shaming doesn't work. Lot of governments will work with China despite any hypocrisy because geopolitics and money talk stronger.

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Lol, Bhakt going into attack mode instantly, thanks for confirming everything

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duh 

you wanna type another word salad for why working with a country where your religion is banned isn't considered hypocritical?

the money proves it was never about Islam or Morality when the Talilban were oppressing others (including women, Christians, muslims they don't agree with and homosexuals). These muslim countries that are working with China need to take off their fake Islam mask

This is like saying China isn't homophobic because they also hate Trannies too

all you're doing is basically speech policing at this point. "You can't call them islamaphobic because they hate x, y, and z too". The definition of Nitpicking i swear

They ARE islamaphobic. You want to add other "phobics", be my guest. But dont' act like what i'm saying is inaccurate.

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You are the one doing word salad and speech policing and going to a weird tangent. Weird focus because anti-religion should encompass anti-Islam as well, right? Just saying the Chinese are Islamophobic is simplistic and like your hypocrisy argument, it only works if you have an oversimplified vision of them. Anyway, you are the one going on this. My initial focus was on just the Taliban if you cared to read my post more carefully. You are the one saying China = Islamophobic which implies being too focused on hate on this religion when CCP is way more than that and that's what I tried to fix even if it was just your tangent and not really part of my argument.

You are just ignoring my points about why the hypocrisy argument doesn't work with Taliban. If they were like some of the Arab nations that vowed to help Palestinians in their cause and just sell off to Israel, sure. However, the Taliban for what they portrayed to be (not just what the news portray them to be as most of them are overly simplistic) never really cared about other Muslims or made vows for that. They even fight other groups with very similar ideology on paper (like ISIS). They care only about their terrible brand of Pashtun nationalism and chauvinism. As horrible Taliban ideology is, they are very clear and focused on wanting their Emirate with their brand of sharia law with Pashtun ideology. That's it. What happen with other Muslims isn't really their business politically speaking. They are very much against other Muslims in their own soil.

Your religion angle for pointing out hypocrisy only works if you paint every Muslims as the same. For the Taliban in specific, it's not hypocrite for them to throw Uyghurs under the bus for money and power because they are already doing that against similar ethnic groups since their inception. Now if China oppressed the Pashtuns (which what China would do if Pashtuns were in their territory) and the Taliban threw them under the bus, sure pointing out the hypocrisy would work and be warranted. As of now just pointing out both Taliban and Uyghurs being Muslims isn't much of a commonality to call them hypocrites on this front. Taliban and CCP have very much in common with each other even if their religious stance are on paper very different.

My nitpicking is because this type of oversimplifications can be deceiving and manipulative and with media being so lazy with their reports and not properly portraying nuances, it can be even dangerous.