Why does ifans never care for Izone but love post-Izone groups like Lsrfm/Ive now?

Izone was considered local like Twice back then since they were only big in Japan/Korea. But now Ive/Lsrfm are one of few 4th gen groups who can chart songs on global Spotify. What was wrong with Izone that ifans don’t care about?

The girlish/feminine concept/music. Easy. Next question

Ive and Lesserafim have better music and concept.

What the person above said… And they have way too many members for a girl group.

The person above me: The girlish/feminine concept/music. Easy. Next question

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Ive and Lesserafim have better music and concept.

no they don’t. they just have a more appealing concept for the international market than izone’s ultra feminine concept which never does too well outside korea and japan because the western mindset is femininity = weak so 🙄

Idk, maybe because having a couple of the same members do not make them the same group? Y'know, just a thought.

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no they don’t. they just have a more appealing concept for the international market than izone’s ultra feminine concept which never does too well outside korea and japan because the western mindset is femininity = weak so 🙄

Mnet doesn't put any efforts in the music and concepts of their group. Look at wanna one they overworked them and ruined their musical direction. Mnet only cares about money, izone's music got too much repetitive.

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Mnet doesn't put any efforts in the music and concepts of their group. Look at wanna one they overworked them and ruined their musical direction. Mnet only cares about money, izone's music got too much repetitive.

if you seriously think their last 3 cbs are the same musically with each other or with their debut you need to get your ears checked

I'm an international fan just like others and in my opinion it was because of their music. For me "la vie en rose" was their best tt and song. Others got too much jpopish and too much going on with music drops or choruses, so they weren't appealing to me. So that definitely was a thing. La vie en rose is still one of my favourite gg songs.

More Koreans watching or involving in Produce 48 as well.

Way too many members to give their music a chance. Or at least that was in my case

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no they don’t. they just have a more appealing concept for the international market than izone’s ultra feminine concept which never does too well outside korea and japan because the western mindset is femininity = weak so 🙄

Nah, Izone music is mid. I love them, but there is no way their songs can compete with any Ive and Lesserafim's songs. No catchy chorus or part, just monotonous and flat songs. That's why no one except their fans hyping any of their songs compare to Ive and Lsfm now where their songs is everywhere because people like it.

And please stop with the 'no one like ultra feminine concept' bullshit you brought here. Ive literally having very feminine concept yet the international side still hype them a lot. The problem with Izone is, their concept is good but the execution is not. Just accept the fact that their songs is really boring. Heck, their songs is not even that big in Korea, they never get PAK or at least RAK when it's much easier to get it back then.

To sum up, please listen to izone songs andatell me which songs has catchy part and chorus as addictive as Eleven, Love dive, After like, Fearless, Antifragile, Blue flame and Impurities.

Many members and their sound and concept

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Nah, Izone music is mid. I love them, but there is no way their songs can compete with any Ive and Lesserafim's songs. No catchy chorus or part, just monotonous and flat songs. That's why no one except their fans hyping any of their songs compare to Ive and Lsfm now where their songs is everywhere because people like it.

And please stop with the 'no one like ultra feminine concept' bullshit you brought here. Ive literally having very feminine concept yet the international side still hype them a lot. The problem with Izone is, their concept is good but the execution is not. Just accept the fact that their songs is really boring. Heck, their songs is not even that big in Korea, they never get PAK or at least RAK when it's much easier to get it back then.

To sum up, please listen to izone songs andatell me which songs has catchy part and chorus as addictive as Eleven, Love dive, After like, Fearless, Antifragile, Blue flame and Impurities.

Lol so you are saying that ive/lsf song is only good because of catchy part? What a joke

Izone songs just aren’t for everyone. Too much theatrics, noise, and was the opposite of the girl crush trend in 2018-2021. Also they had twelve members and a predominantly male fanbase which are both repellent for ifans.

I think the ifans here in question might be western girls, as Izone did well in the Japanese market with females and I've seen a decent amount of hype posts about them from western men(places outside of the twitter fanbase bubble ), concept I think plays a role here as girlish and feminine concepts are hated by most western women as femineity is hated for fitting "men's wants" and is seen as "weak".

I know this might sound dumb, but Izone is more traditionally feminine that IVE and LSF that I would honestly at least place as sultry/sexy compared to the ladylike image of Izone conceptually. Izone might have also been seen as "too cute" and in the progressive western kpop fandom that's usually a turnoff(as seen by the introduction to the question mentioning that Twice was considered "local")

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Lol so you are saying that ive/lsf song is only good because of catchy part? What a joke

Where in my sentence saying their songs only good solely because of the catchy part? I said find Izone songs with as catchy part as these both group have. Please, I'm concerned with your reading comprehension. And instead of focusing your fake concern, why you're not answering me? Find me that Izone songs. They can't even get pak or rak which means not even Korea vibing with any of their songs as much as you said.

And obviously, good songs should have part where people will remember it especially non stans and see how many people outside of the fandom know Ive and Lsrfm songs compare to Izone because of it.

I'm wizone myself, and that's the reality. They can hit it big internationally, they have it all actually but their songs is not that good enough to do so. No one outside of the fandom talk about it.

Their music is more catered to Korea + Japan. I mean that was exactly what Produce was for, to bridge K + J and promote heavily in both countries.