the fact that this authorities are turning into a political spin war is very shameful
https://theqoo.net/index.php?m…l&document_srl=2624430267
I can't believe they were trying to lie on this easily checked information when hundreds of witnesses claimed they only saw dozens of police officers doing crowd control
Ummmmm....
The majority of people in that crowd wouldn't have been able to see a single Police Person let alone 12 or 32 which would be spread over the distance of the area rather than in a single spot where it's normally seen with Riots and Protestors.
Eye Witness Accounts need to be measured by what each person could see rather than the area that was being patrolled.
Besides, in a "peaceful gathering" there wouldn't be much need for crowd control or Police Presence so anything the Korean Police could have done was to react when it was too late.
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The majority of people in that crowd wouldn't have been able to see a single Police Person let alone 12 or 32 which would be spread over the distance of the area rather than in a single spot where it's normally seen with Riots and Protestors.
Eye Witness Accounts need to be measured by what each person could see rather than the area that was being patrolled.
Besides, in a "peaceful gathering" there wouldn't be much need for crowd control or Police Presence so anything the Korean Police could have done was to react when it was too late.
You're saying that this wasn't a peaceful gathering????????????? And this was said on the news (32 police officers), not by eye witnesses, I just mentioned the witnesses such as the workers there who corroborated that information before. Weird takes.
"Peaceful Gathering" is a referal to what the Event has been for many many years so it is to indicate how the Event would be managed by Organisers and the Police Presence before it was held
Eye Witness are only as good as what they can see so it is more likely that 32 Police Personnele were at the Event but not neccessarily part of the Crowd Control
32?????? How does this just keep getting worse??? That's literally less than 1/10 the number of officers necessary to keep the area safe via crowd control. At that point what are they even doing out there? They might as well just grab a beer and pretend their uniform is a Halloween costume.
At least there are angry people in the comments. Faith in humanity slightly restored 
Unreal. 
"Peaceful Gathering" is a referal to what the Event has been for many many years so it is to indicate how the Event would be managed by Organisers and the Police Presence before it was held
Eye Witness are only as good as what they can see so it is more likely that 32 Police Personnele were at the Event but not neccessarily part of the Crowd Control
Every massive gathering needs crowd control or it can easily turn deadly, even when it's peaceful and everyone is sober and polite. Highly dense and disorganized crowds can turn into deadly crushes or collapses just from someone accidentally tripping and falling, or even just stopping abruptly to sneeze in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Ultra-dense crowds often act like a liquid, meaning small things can send out huge ripples that compress people dangerously close together in other parts of the crowd. You can actually see that happening in the videos of the beginning of the Itaewon crush. Small ripples began to spread out from the top of the slope, causing a crush to form lower down on the slope. And that was before people got rowdy and started pushing on purpose. That's why crowd control is necessary even if it's peaceful.
Every massive gathering needs crowd control or it can easily turn deadly, even when it's peaceful and everyone is sober and polite. Highly dense and disorganized crowds can turn into deadly crushes or collapses just from someone accidentally tripping and falling, or even just stopping abruptly to sneeze in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Ultra-dense crowds often act like a liquid, meaning small things can send out huge ripples that compress people dangerously close together in other parts of the crowd. You can actually see that happening in the videos of the beginning of the Itaewon crush. Small ripples began to spread out from the top of the slope, causing a crush to form lower down on the slope. And that was before people got rowdy and started pushing on purpose. That's why crowd control is necessary even if it's peaceful.
Everything you have mentioned needs to be based on prior precedence, the crowds at Itaewon for Halloween have been massive which means there was no need to change the existing protocol prior to the Event.
Hindsight means the Organisers and Stores could have limited the Crowd Size to keep it manageable. Crowd Control for Police generally means Riot Gear and Personnel that knows how to manage the situation.
But in this instance, the Police were expecting another Halloween Celebration and Crowd Control Squads are generally employed when there is a gathering of Extremists/Opinionists/Protestors which didn't exist in this instance.
Anyway, you have probably seen Football Matches where Crowds have rioted and all the Police can do is hold a line, when it comes to Civilians, there isn't a lot that the average Police person can do
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The majority of people in that crowd wouldn't have been able to see a single Police Person let alone 12 or 32 which would be spread over the distance of the area rather than in a single spot where it's normally seen with Riots and Protestors.
Eye Witness Accounts need to be measured by what each person could see rather than the area that was being patrolled.
Besides, in a "peaceful gathering" there wouldn't be much need for crowd control or Police Presence so anything the Korean Police could have done was to react when it was too late.
I believe if the crowd reaches a certain capacity, city has to provide crowd control even if its peaceful.
Display MoreEverything you have mentioned needs to be based on prior precedence, the crowds at Itaewon for Halloween have been massive which means there was no need to change the existing protocol prior to the Event.
Hindsight means the Organisers and Stores could have limited the Crowd Size to keep it manageable. Crowd Control for Police generally means Riot Gear and Personnel that knows how to manage the situation.
But in this instance, the Police were expecting another Halloween Celebration and Crowd Control Squads are generally employed when there is a gathering of Extremists/Opinionists/Protestors which didn't exist in this instance.
Anyway, you have probably seen Football Matches where Crowds have rioted and all the Police can do is hold a line, when it comes to Civilians, there isn't a lot that the average Police person can do
They did change the existing protocol though. Every prior year had a much larger visible police presence, including last year where they even had a police officer stationed at the exact alleyway where the crush happened this year.
And you're thinking of riot control, not crowd control. Crowd control means whistles, megaphones, walkie talkies, neon tape, and light up batons. Here's a recent video of large scale crowd control in action:
Display MoreEverything you have mentioned needs to be based on prior precedence, the crowds at Itaewon for Halloween have been massive which means there was no need to change the existing protocol prior to the Event.
Hindsight means the Organisers and Stores could have limited the Crowd Size to keep it manageable. Crowd Control for Police generally means Riot Gear and Personnel that knows how to manage the situation.
But in this instance, the Police were expecting another Halloween Celebration and Crowd Control Squads are generally employed when there is a gathering of Extremists/Opinionists/Protestors which didn't exist in this instance.
Anyway, you have probably seen Football Matches where Crowds have rioted and all the Police can do is hold a line, when it comes to Civilians, there isn't a lot that the average Police person can do
In my part of the world though, whenever/wherever big crowds gather ( organised or not) , you can find police presence guiding foot traffic.
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