International popularity isn't public based, you dumdums, it's still just kpop fans... !! >.<

    Something that has confused me for a while. Kpop fans are treating international digitals and popularity the same as Korean digitals and popularity, namely as originating from the general public, whether that's Korean general public or the general public worldwide.


    But popularity and digitals on platforms as an indicator of success and recognition with the general public only applies to South Korea!

    In SK you can have the situation that groups that get high digitals and high Gallup rating are wellknown to normal Koreans, to non-kpop fans.


    But the general public in other countries, they don't know nor care about K-pop groups. When K-pop groups have high numbers on international streaming platforms like Spotify, Youtube etc, that's still just coming from K-pop fans but then worldwide, not the 'public'.


    And the best evidence for this is boy groups: they have high album sales (fans), yet low interest from the Korean public (weak charting) yet somehow have digitals in platforms as Spotify that equal their high album sales. Of course this is fan driven, and not public driven by the global world population of non-kpop fans!! :facepalm:


    The only exception is BTS, who are indeed wellknown also to people who don't know one bit about kpop.

    But that's it.

    So stop this nonsense of kpop groups with high digitals somehow be known to the international public and not be hard carried by kpop fans. It's delusional.

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    All kpop outside of South Korea is a niche market and kpop fan driven.


    BTS aren't "well-known" to people outside of kpop. If they were, people wouldn't be calling any group of Asian men "BTS" ala, NCT, Super M, that random group of men in NY a few years ago... It's a passing knowledge at best, but the streams and charting still all comes from kpop fans internationally.

    its funny you excepted BP yet they peaked at 29m mls, they go ahead and mix themselves with A lists and also have a same rank of followers in sns.

    Literally, what are you talking about? It's literally the same thing in Korea and why there have been so many chart reforms because the Korean general public was tired of seeing idol music.


    What I want to know is why as soon as a person likes a song they are suddenly considered part of the general public. How exactly do people think fans are created if not by reaching the general public?

    I've never seen anyone think like that


    but congrats on the new person you invented to get mad at

    Do you know that most K-pop hits in Korea are also basically supported by people in their 10~20s who are Kpop fans, right?

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    All kpop outside of South Korea is a niche market and kpop fan driven.


    BTS aren't "well-known" to people outside of kpop. If they were, people wouldn't be calling any group of Asian men "BTS" ala, NCT, Super M, that random group of men in NY a few years ago... It's a passing knowledge at best, but the streams and charting still all comes from kpop fans internationally.

    BTS is absolutely known by the GP globally and a lot of the people coming to their shows are GP…stop trying to lump BTS in with anyone else. And stop lumping actual BTS fans in with kpop fans.

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    The only exception is BTS, who are indeed wellknown also to people who don't know one bit about kpop.

    But that's it.

    Then why every group out there with many members is called BTS? Obviously something is failing in that logic.

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    Then why every group out there with many members is called BTS? Obviously something is failing in that logic.

    It’s like here in my country, when we want to use toothpaste, we say Colgate or when we want to use diapers we say pampers.. one brand eclipsed the rest of the brand. So this is clear evidence that the public knows at least the name BTS as kpop band. Other kpop acts are overshadowed by them.

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    Literally proving their point?? You don't see random white women being called Taylor Swift or random black women being called Beyonce. BTS is still largely unknown because how you mistake random Asian men as BTS if they're so well known?

    Why are you comparing bands to solo acts? Ask the gp for the name of members from 1D, Backstreet Boys, Metallica, Rolling Stone.. majority don’t know.. but they group name is well known

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    Why are you comparing bands to solo acts? Ask the gp for the name of members from 1D, Backstreet Boys, Metallica, Rolling Stone.. majority don’t know.. but they group name is well known

    actually when you ask the gp one of the members, they always tell you the most famous and bts lack that in comparison, they don't have a Harry, a Mick, a John, a Paul, a Justin

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    BTS is absolutely known by the GP globally and a lot of the people coming to their shows are GP…stop trying to lump BTS in with anyone else. And stop lumping actual BTS fans in with kpop fans.

    they are not known by the GP globally, it just seems that way because kpop is an echo chamber, you see what you search for. you search for BTS the internet will give you the skewed view that they're known everywhere.


    And the majority of those going to their shows are fans, but keep telling yourself that..

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    actually when you ask the gp one of the members, they always tell you the most famous and bts lack that in comparison, they don't have a Harry, a Mick, a John, a Paul, a Justin

    just stop


    do you remember all the jokes about Maroon 5 at the Superbowl? everyone realized they had no idea what the band looked like (minus Adam Levine for some), just knew the songs


    It’s natural to not really known the members of groups if you’re not a fan, but you know the brand/some songs! Do you think GP knows members of Imagine Dragons? lol

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    they are not known by the GP globally, it just seems that way because kpop is an echo chamber, you see what you search for. you search for BTS the internet will give you the skewed view that they're known everywhere.


    And the majority of those going to their shows are fans, but keep telling yourself that..

    The data shows otherwise as does BTS’s brand awareness numbers in the West. The average BTS listener in the States is not a kpop fan.

    Quote from Blanched Ginger & Honey Mammoth (818)

    they are not known by the GP globally, it just seems that way because kpop is an echo chamber, you see what you search for. you search for BTS the internet will give you the skewed view that they're known everywhere.


    And the majority of those going to their shows are fans, but keep telling yourself that..

    and merp telling yourself that too.

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