VIVIZ to me was nice, but nothing stellar.

Understand it's different from those feeling nostalgia

The only one I can think of is Irene.

I would say she is above average beautiful for an idol, but I don't see that she is as exceptional as some people seem to think (but maybe I just don't get it).

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BTS obviously. Not that they dont deserve their success in terms of how hard they worked, we all know the stories about what they had to go through and overcome. But when it comes to the actual music, they are way overhyped, and i'm being generous here.

I think many in Korea specifically support them cause they bring national pride to them via their accomplishments, not because of their actual songs.

Nothing against BP, but find this quite funny coming from one of their fans.

Hot

4th gen didn't just start yesterday anymore, so groups had a chance to grow in fandom.

And even a newly debuted group like IVE is doing amazing.

So, keeping BTS out of the equation, I think we are at a point now where 3rd gen groups' headstart is becoming less of an advantage as it was. Fresh new groups are gaining interest + have a history/growing discography now too.

Summarized, about two years ago, it was:

3rd gen:

Had the time to grow a fandom that anticipates their releases

Large discography

Many funny moments that fans like to look at

Experience

Known for quality

vs

4th gen:

Just a starting fandom

Maybe 1 or 2 nice songs to attract attention.

Still shy and personalities are not known.

Little renown if any.

Now:

3rd gen:

All the above of 3rd gen, but maybe less freshness.

Need to evolve to stay interesting

4th gen:

Still less experience than most 3rd gen BUT

Increased fandom

More songs

Better known faces and personalities

More global opportunities as rookies than 3rd gen had due to increased popularity of Kpop

Getting more comfortable as an idol

Potentially already known for talent etc.

Quite interesting here are also the increase of casual Kpop fans, that seem very open to listen to more songs (especially girl group songs) and don't necessarily only support one group they've been with for years.

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We all move on from 2NE1 into fully supporting YG's BP

Why not move on from BP and moves to fully supporting Babymon?

We are able to do it once, why not do it TWICE?

What? Who's that?

I liked their debut song

I didn't even notice it was BTS themed (And I'm an ARMY )

Just saw it was dark and thought I had done something to the settings.

Looking forward to the next bop

I really don't get what is going on at that company.

They have a potential gold mine in Loona, but need to get their act together.

They are in Queendom now ffs

There are some groups that everybody knows that I know very little about.

I struggle to name the members and don't know what their music sounds like.

TXT already has one of the best discographies in the history of Kpop.

Find it just a 7/10 after first listen, but I have a feeling this will grow on me a lot.

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Ehh it’s nothing that’s not common in other fandoms or the rest of the internet. I suppose if someone’s never been in fandoms kpop would scare them. But yeah this is how fandoms in general operate.

This.

Other fandoms are about as batshit or sometimes even more so.

And craziest is still the physical violence of football fans etc.

I wouldn't stream their songs anymore and unfollow, but that's about it.

I liked this line:

Your mom raised you as a prince

But this is Queendom, right?

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You're welcome.

And yes, she just seems to be the designated villain

Bop deserves

Add me to the girls taglist, please

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Already knew that King Taeyeon was hosting and that VIVIZ was competing, but decided to check out the preview episode to see if I wanted to watch the whole series. And already SinB is owning the show as the supposed villain. I love her so much. The editing had me cracking up so many times.

I'll be checking out the show from now on for QueenB/VIVIZ and The King.

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Thanks. It's fun so far

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She had a magazine photoshoot before this RV cmb but realistically, considering the situation she was involved, her being involved in solos activities to the level she was before the scandal will take a longer time or people will just look for other girls that bring them less trouble

I agree.