What's your take on this? A transgender swimmer competing in women's event?

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Still, even among women of the same race, the muscle and bone structure difference exist.

This is true but the differences between biological men and women go much further than mere muscle mass and bone density/structure. They are such that even the best women athletes in the world would never be able to beat even an average male athlete. In most cases the best women can't even beat male high-school athletes. That's just how it is.

We are equal but being equal doesn't mean we're the same.

People born as biological males don't just have greater muscle mass, but a different muscle composition, allowing for greater strength and speed. They have bigger hearts, bigger lungs, a different body shape, including differently shaped hips. It all increases their speed and overall power.

I also think that it's important to not forget about the other young women who are the competitors, because they matter too.

These girls must've trained from a very young age hoping to one day be the best in their sport. They probably trained as much as 5 days a week only to then be made to race someone who they could not reasonably be expected to beat. They must've gone into these races knowing that the best they could hope for was to be second best.

Respect is important, support is important, but it cannot come at the expense of other women. And from what I understand, college sport in the US is not like school sport in other countries. It can decide someone's future so I'm not surprised that there's a huge debate.

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This is true but the differences between biological men and women go much further than mere muscle mass and bone density/structure. They are such that even the best women athletes in the world would never be able to beat even an average male athlete. In most cases the best women can't even beat male high-school athletes. That's just how it is.

We are equal but being equal doesn't mean we're the same.

People born as biological males don't just have greater muscle mass, but a different muscle composition, allowing for greater strength and speed. They have bigger hearts, bigger lungs, a different body shape, including differently shaped hips. It all increases their speed and overall power.

I also think that it's important to not forget about the other young women who are the competitors, because they matter too.

These girls must've trained from a very young age hoping to one day be the best in their sport. They probably trained as much as 5 days a week only to then be made to race someone who they could not reasonably be expected to beat. They must've gone into these races knowing that the best they could hope for was to be second best.

Respect is important, support is important, but it cannot come at the expense of other women. And from what I understand, college sport in the US is not like school sport in other countries. It can decide someone's future so I'm not surprised that there's a huge debate.

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Transwomen are not men biologically. You are wrong from the foundation.

Muscle mass correlates with the level of androgen more so the innate gender. With androgen suppression/decrease, the transwomen gradually lose their muscle mass and end with the level similar to innate ones. Neither there is significant difference between men and women in term of bone density and transwomen can be in greater risk of osteoporosis due to the scrotectomy.

Some studies are needed to verify if there is significant advantage due to different bone structure, the width of shoulder/hip etc. And, if you are to talk about the body size, sports where very such thing matters most are volleyball and basketball, where physical disparity due to ethnicity already exists.

Theoretically, there is the advantage due to lung + heart size in endurance sports. However, no study has been conduct as they are more factors than mere the size of these organs in physical stamina.

Competitors matter? What I saw in the video was her competitors acknowledging her victory with friendly handshake. Also, you forgot that she had trained since she was little too.

I believe to outright ban transwomen is oversimplified and unfair. Yet, some things have to be considered and some measures are required, how long it takes for the hormone treatment to nullify the precedent muscular advantage, what the likelihood of the transwomen permission being abused is, how prevalent transwoman athletes is in comparison to innate female athletes with irregularly higher level of androgen etc.

My opinion is that all trans women should be banned from competing in womens sports.

They have to compete in their separate category. Even if they transitioned at a very young age, the structure of the male skeleton is more efficient for physical activity. It's not just hormones.

I don't think trans women should be competing in any woman's events. it's simple logic.

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Should we start having a only trans league in every sport so it be fair to cis people cause I hear all this complaining buy where are the actions to make it fair?

honestly though people only like to complain

i believe in equality and all that jazz but when it comes to sports, i think there's a clear disparity.

imagine competing and getting constantly beaten by someone who is biologically a man and identifies as a woman, and you're biologically a woman.

that has to get frustrating, and i know swimmers are slowly starting to get more and more vocal about this, with most of them staying silent because they don't want to be labeled as bigots or transphobes.

i'm not sure what actions would be taken in the future (if any at all) to even out the playing field, but i hope it's something that makes everyone feel included whilst still being fair.

Quote from neonanton1

Exactly. Chris Moiser a transman has been competing and winning for years. Yet all up and arms when a transwoman compete

yeah like aren't they a women as well shouldn't we be as women be happy another women are achieving things? but if everyone is so mad about the fact they are trans let them have their own league. same with transmen.

Sport categories should be divided based biological sex not gender

Also in every sport male categories are technically open categories

everyone can participate if they qualify

Literally nothing has to be changed

as a trans person myself i think it just isn't fair. biological men are naturally stonger than biological women.

My opinion, even if he changed gender, the different between physique and bone structure still differ.