{š•“š•„š•”š•—} ā‘¦ Safe place

  • guild forums are not a place to shit talk members of the site. you guys are doing the exact same behavior you are accusing others of doing and holding yourselves to a double standard. if this continues, then yes there will be no safe space, period.

  • fyi... i'll reopen so you all can tell me your sides of the story, but screen shotting and posting things here are against the rules because that is doxxing and directly calling out other members.


    you have your safe space, but you all still need to conform to the overall rules.

  • Honestly johnny you need to decide exactly what you want AKP's brand to be and stick to it I think? Come hell or high water, regardless of your personal preferences.


    Is it the wild west of Kpop? Ad-Click-generating fanwar bait at all times? Moderationis complete biased-chaos that targets some and lets others be trolls freely?

    Okay, then the fallout will be a terrible reputation, a general jerk-free-for-all and constant scandals when things like racism and other terrible behavior become standard, and since ARMY are targets #1 you'll lose the biggest fandom in the scene except for our solos, akgaes and other worst elements. (And likely many in affiliated fandoms, too.) But hell, you'll be free and a lot of people will be happy.


    You might not like us, but we're the biggest feeders and influencers of the whole community. Lots of us like to keep on top of kpop and find it interesting. If we can't do it here we'll do it elsewhere.


    Is it a spicy (fanwars will always be huge here, it is what it is) but informative hub for all of kpop, regardless of who you stan?

    Okay, then moderate it fairly, evenly, let all your spaces be equally 'safe' and keep targeting us and BTS to private chats. This will save you lots of headaches in the future, and will make it a lot less likely that in a few months time AKP will become the nastiest kpop site around, with all the bigoted, disgusting, terrible people who just want a platform. That has legal ramifications too - If Fox News, OANN, Parlor, and Newsmax can't pull off letting lies and endless slander flourish, AKP definitely can't. There's too many people watching kpop these days, and fans yelling for companies to protect their faves. Also, the repercussions for ad revenue can be huge.


    Just my two cents. I'll shut tf before I get banned. (maybe too late!)

  • fyi... i'll reopen so you all can tell me your sides of the story, but screen shotting and posting things here are against the rules because that is doxxing and directly calling out other members.


    you have your safe space, but you all still need to conform to the overall rules.

    the main issue is that users openly bashed bts and a mod encouraged it. No other fandom and group was targeted on that discord like bts and it was very upsetting to see. That discord is public meaning anyone can access and I donā€™t thinking bashing like that should be allowed as it also gives a bad rep to the forums.



    Users had really vile language in that discord and hateful speech that made army feel Unwelcomed and targeted. When we spoke about it in the guild none of us hated on anyone, we are just rightfully upset that behaviour like this is allowed to occur and even encouraged

  • We do moderate fairly and evenly, but everyone thinks they are the victim. The level of double standards and entitlement are off the charts. Everyone thinks they are being treated unfairly, but that is not the case.


    Do you not see army slander other artists? You may not have personally, but almost everyone is guilty of this sort of behavior. Even in your own subforum, you are slandering your fellow users. That doesn't make it ok just because you are defending your artists. Two wrongs do not make a right.


    We are trying our best, but really you all need to take a step back and realize all parties were in the wrong and are being dealt with in the same way.

  • guild forums are not a place to shit talk members of the site. you guys are doing the exact same behavior you are accusing others of doing and holding yourselves to a double standard. if this continues, then yes there will be no safe space, period.


    i would love to know why @s_song_calling_f and lawyer did to get a ban, please.


    And I subscribe to NaomiBlue message, potential ban be damned. What exactly are we doing here on allkpop now? Bashing is allowed but not really, only selectively. Bashing users the same. A whole discord channel promoted only for ARMY users and BTS to be dragged left and right. And the moment they defend themselves and BTS, they're called toxic.


    If Allkpop doesn't need ARMYs anymore, just tell us plainly. We're not ones to come where we're unwelcomed. And either Allkpop continues to be the bashing fest it was pre-revamp, or you moderate fairly and equally, both in the forum AND in the discord.


    the ARMY community here on Allkpop was willing to give it a chance after the revamp, because we hoped it would become a more neutral place, where all could enjoy KPop equally. Take a good, objective look at the threads that were made pre-revamp, and see how many were non-ARMYs dragging BTS, shading ARMYs etc. We had hopes for something better. If this ain't it, then it would help to know it upfront.

  • Now that I'm caught up on everything. We are organizing an email campaign to send to Big Hit as well as spreading the words on twitter that this AKP website is allowing public slander and defamation of BTS to unimaginable scales, including malicious bashing of the members, false accusations of plagiarism, etc. Pages after pages of nonstop bashing and false rumours targeting the members individually. Pretty nasty stuff if you ask me and of legal magnitude.


    I will message you all the details. Thanks!

  • We do moderate fairly and evenly, but everyone thinks they are the victim. The level of double standards and entitlement are off the charts. Everyone thinks they are being treated unfairly, but that is not the case.


    Do you not see army slander other artists? You may not have personally, but almost everyone is guilty of this sort of behavior. Even in your own subforum, you are slandering your fellow users. That doesn't make it ok just because you are defending your artists. Two wrongs do not make a right.


    We are trying our best, but really you all need to take a step back and realize all parties were in the wrong and are being dealt with in the same way.

    Just a question really: So if a MOD encourage the bashing, was that okay? How is that fair and even?

  • We do moderate fairly and evenly, but everyone thinks they are the victim. The level of double standards and entitlement are off the charts. Everyone thinks they are being treated unfairly, but that is not the case.


    Do you not see army slander other artists? You may not have personally, but almost everyone is guilty of this sort of behavior. Even in your own subforum, you are slandering your fellow users. That doesn't make it ok just because you are defending your artists. Two wrongs do not make a right.


    We are trying our best, but really you all need to take a step back and realize all parties were in the wrong and are being dealt with in the same way.

    The threads made today have only been about the discord and that hate that was allowed to spew. No army was even active much in that discord because we knew we were unwelcomed.


    I also donā€™t see where we hated today on users other than bring attention to the hate we saw and we didnā€™t even mention anyone by name but just mention the awful behaviour. I stand by the statement that I donā€™t think we did much wrong today but bring attention to what was upsetting many users



    Also about the doxxing. If something is on a public forum it isnā€™t doxxing

  • the main issue is that users openly bashed bts and a mod encouraged it. No other fandom and group was targeted on that discord like bts and it was very upsetting to see. That discord is public meaning anyone can access and I donā€™t thinking bashing like that should be allowed as it also gives a bad rep to the forums.



    Users had really vile language in that discord and hateful speech that made army feel Unwelcomed and targeted. When we spoke about it in the guild none of us hated on anyone, we are just rightfully upset that behaviour like this is allowed to occur and even encouraged

    I looked into that and I know exactly which mod you are referring you. His words were taken out of context and he made a mistake, but nowhere do we allow open bashing.


    As for feeling unwelcomed, you guys have the biggest fandom by far and can easily overrun any server. I understand some people wrote unflavorful things, but invading the discord server to ss and doxx the other users was not the right method of action.


    Either way, I cleared up the situation on the discord server and warned all the users to stop posting disrespectful things about artists on there.

  • We do moderate fairly and evenly, but everyone thinks they are the victim. The level of double standards and entitlement are off the charts. Everyone thinks they are being treated unfairly, but that is not the case.


    Do you not see army slander other artists? You may not have personally, but almost everyone is guilty of this sort of behavior. Even in your own subforum, you are slandering your fellow users. That doesn't make it ok just because you are defending your artists. Two wrongs do not make a right.


    We are trying our best, but really you all need to take a step back and realize all parties were in the wrong and are being dealt with in the same way.

    I do see ARMY sometimes slander other artists, and I think you should come down hard on them too. All artist slander should be cut off at the kneecaps. I want reasoned debate or at least silly squabbling, and I don't have any patience for those who make ARMY look bad, either. Take 'em all down.


    But saying "Everyone is bad" ignores that our issues are very specific: Terrible and defamatory things were being said about BTS in the Discord, we have receipts, and it wasn't being at all moderated. Many users were involved. There aren't receipts of core ARMY (not those pretending to be ARMY just to make us look terrible, or trolls, or bored multis) other than 1 or 2 users at most going after other groups.


    Mods are there to police, but we caught them *getting involved in the fray*. One of ARMY's biggest trolls is now a mod.


    If there are receipts then those people needed to be taken to task as well. We'll have to agree to disagree, but the modding has in general been very lopsided, and this just underscores that.


    you've got a cool thing going here, seriously. It's amazing you're getting artist AMAs. But boosting the "ARMY are so toxic!" narrative when everything that just happened shows we're not the problem is just going to lead to this place turning into a mess.

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