JYP is falling off from the Big 4…once again

Quote from CaraFIMIE

replace kickflip with H2H and it will still be true

lame attempt but at least you tried

H2H is selling actually more than them and they are a rookie GG

and they even peaked in top 50

they are clearly not in the same tier + H2H didn't even release a mini album yet

But you tried and i'll applause the effort even if it was a really bad one

Quote from CaraFIMIE

And so is kickflip.

Don't tell me to do shit if you're not going to correct SooYoung for pushing a false narrative about kickflip.

am i pushing a false narrative about kickflip ??

Where ? Did they charted on korean chart ? did their stream on spotify are decent compare to other 5th gen group ?

Do people talk about this group here besides when we get thread like this ?

do their sales compare with other 5th gen BG like riize, TWS or BND ?

well the answer to all the questions above are NO

But i'm listening to you, speak tell me what is a false narrative about kickflip lack of "success" ?

Quote from CaraFIMIE

And so is kickflip.

Don't tell me to do shit if you're not going to correct SooYoung for pushing a false narrative about kickflip.

oh and i actually forgot to say that even their content is lacking engagement

the numbers of view they have on their content on youtube

is closer to Kiss of life engagement (10K-40K)

than the amount of engagement that other 5th gen groups like riize, bnd, tws, H2H, Babymonster etc...are doing (+100K)

you want to prove that i'm pushing a false narrative and you aren't just a whinning , crying baby that don't accept to see a group gets call a flop then bring me the receipt

show me their metrics in comparison of other 5th gen groups

show me how they charted

show me how well they sold in comparison of other group

BRING RECEIPTS don't just sit here and cry

Quote from CaraFIMIE

There are different measures of success.

Just because they don't conform to your measures does not mean they aren't successful.

And not you acting like anyone talks about H2H outside of the same 3 people

did i say there's only one measure of success ??? Do you know how to read ??

I literally mention different measures of success, Charts, sales, engagement of their content and they are lacking in all of them

what do you want me to take as measure of success ?? How much they can eat ? yeah because it's a great way to measure success ina competitive world like kpop ?

Well it's still 3 more people that talk about H2H than there's for Kickflip

Quote from CaraFIMIE

you making me seem like a H2H hater so i dont care what you have to say atp

just don't start crying when someone matches this same energy toward your faves in the future

Which energy ? LMAOO

Someone made a thread saying JYP is falling

I confirm because their last rookie totally flop using metrics, and stat comparing them with other acts of their gens

And you are the one who came here quoting me complaining that i'm spreading a false narrative saying there's more than one measure to success

and now you are backing up, because i told you that if you want to disagree with my point then let's debate and bring me receipts, bring me proof that they are doing as well than other 5th gen to prove me that i'm spreading a false narrative

let's have a real discussion with each side bringing proof to defend their point of view

Don't come here quoting me just because you're sensitive and can't see a negative comment

the only person who came here with "energy" it's you

I was only answering a thread with logical argument, you are the one who started to mention a group who doesn' have anything to do with the subject of the thread and your answer wasn't related at all to the question OP asked just becaused you got trigger by a completely objective comment

to the point that even someone else as to quote you and ask you to stay on the subject and not bring unrelated thing to the subject

So stop whinning when the only guilty person here is you

Quote from CaraFIMIE

just don't start crying when someone matches this same energy toward your faves in the future

if someone wants to match my energy then great, we'll have a real debate with each one of us sharing receipts to defend our point of view

i'll not do like you being all sensitive, getting trigger about a comment

whinning, bringing unrelated things to the subject

and when someone ask you to defend your point of view and proving me wrong

backing up cuz you have no real argument

let me teach you one thing !!

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN LEARN TO HAVE ONE

SHARE YOUR OPINION, BRING THE SUPPORTING DETAILS TO YOUR OPINION, USE EXAMPLE TO DEFEND YOUR POV !! that's how it works

don't just sit here, complaining, crying , saying that someone is spreading false narrative, and then backing up and running away when someone ask you to defend your point of view