RE: "Why do BigBang flop internationally?"

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Why do BigBang flop internationally?

I was led to believe they were the number two boygroup internationally. If not then at least top 5. But saying their new song flopped internationally would be an understatement. It's getting nugu group levels of streams. They're getting outstreamed by treasure for god's sake.

All their fans claimed they wholeheartedly loved the song on this site yet the stats clearly show otherwise.

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Jul 31st 2022

That's just how it is for 2nd-gen groups.

Quote from Brined Mustard & Thyme Horse (908)

Their whole career is built on "we're ugly but talented, not like others" and more than half of their fanbase is Korean men who cannot stan beautiful men. They're nugus outside korea.

Seems like you weren't around at the peak of 2nd gen. Taeyang, T.O.P., and GD were considered visuals at the time. I wasn't a fan yet, but I remember girls here in the United States swooning over them. Beauty standards obviously changed. It's obvious you're discrediting their popularity by exaggerating a portion of their fans.

I'm not sure why many international K-pop stans love to stereotype Korean men for toxic masculinity. Sure, toxic masculinity exists among some Korean men, but on the flip side, lots of Korean men wear makeup, take their skincare seriously, and are not afraid to express an alternative form of masculinity. The beauty industry in Korea markets itself towards men just as much as it does towards women, a lot different from how it is elsewhere in the world.

With that said, outside Korea, BIGBANG only appealed to a niche. Always have and always will, but that's the norm for K-pop, especially when it comes to 2nd gen.

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I don’t like them at all but bigbang was bigger than every 3rd and 4th gen group sans bts twice bp Internationally…

BIGBANG was THE K-pop group people knew about if they didn't like K-pop. Taeyang was the visual and the beauty standard at the time, even more so than T.O.P. They still very much had the pretty boy image in the beginning.

Newer international fans weren't around to experience that, so they just think the fanbase is full of Korean incels in the military or something. It's funny to see.