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Taytay and it's not close I don't think. Btw, if we're purely talking success in terms of money... Kim Jaejoong (Former TVXQ) admitted to spending at least $13.7 million of his own money per year for his company INKODE with 1 girl group (SAY MY NAME) and a boy group yet to debut. He's also said that he expects not to be profitable for the next 3 years. I don't think you would take this risk if you didn't have at least $200-300 million in the bank excluding assets like property (of which he has a lot).

Other than JYP, I haven't seen any other current idol with that type of money.

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They did well with the sales

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Seems like they will break the 100k mark? Their first album got around 45k sales so we can expect to sell 35k more at least. I think that's definitely a success for a 2 year old company and a group who has debuted for 6 months. Hitomi was really stressing about if they would do well or not before Shalala dropped so I'm really happy for her.

Those are really strong numbers for day 7 sales.

That's what happens when you make a genuinely good song. You don't need flashy music videos and dance routines to succeed even in 2025. Oldfans who still remember DB5K dominating the entire industry with their live ballads understand this the best.

What's crazy to me is that Jaejoong is taking care of SAYMYNAME purely with his own money. On the Netflix show with Choo Sung-Hoon, he mentioned that it costs approximately $13.7 million per year to debut and support his groups.

He says that here with INFINITE as his guests.

He must be super rich o_o

But ya considering all that, I really hope the girls do well. I have no doubt they are being taken care of very well considering that Jaejoong is one of the 3 people who were responsible for the government stepping in to ensure fairer contracts for artists.

I also love this Shalala song!

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For example, someone like Itzy Yeji doesn't have any doppelgangers in Korea. And in general idols aren't just more attractive on average but also have looks that aren't common.

To answer your title, I think those two are basically the same thing. Truly beautiful people are rare. You could have an entire classroom and you may or may not find 1 handsome guy or pretty girl.

About Yeji, I think she is one of those rare cases even among rare cases as in her being rare even among beautiful people. She's just got a very unique and very beautiful face and body. Can't say for sure if she's had any plastic surgery done tho. Leaning towards no as I've seen her pre-debut pictures but you never know.

Prettiest girl in K-POP for me.

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Saved quote and even saved a screenshot, hopefully you will still be here when your quote and others will eventually come back to haunt you all.

You best believe I will be here to bump up these dead threads 3 years from now. And I would like an apology not only to me, but also to the girls for mindlessly supporting them in an endeavor that will prove to be disastrous for their careers.

This is where they will start to fade and other groups will slowly but gradually fill the void unless they somehow go back to working with HYBE.

If you don't think this is true, do not change your newjeans profile pictures and signatures for the next 3 years so we can all look back on this period later and see who was right.

It's terrible.

Idk what's so difficult. Just make a pretty melody and sing it well or a cool track with a cool dance. Big bonus points if you can do both, but hey that's asking for a lot nowadays.

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Your entire premise is flawed. They CANNOT be blocked from releasing new songs and promotions. The absolute worst thing that can happen is they have to pay, but they've already gained the full support of the public. They've also gained fans, not lost them. The more this drags on, the MORE fans they gain.

You are honestly pretty clueless regarding NewJeans' popularity in Korea. They have 1 BILLION more points on Circle than the next closest act and just secured the second biggest year by a girl group ever, only behind their historically dominant 2023.

No group has EVER been this popular and just forgotten. Literally ever. 2NE1 was gone for an entire decade and people still packed and sold out their tour in minutes. SNSD only releases music every 5 years and still manages to get a top 5 hit. Kara returned for the first time in years in 2022, and they charted their comeback title track. BLACKPINK routinely had long waits between comebacks and still dropped hit songs every release.

NewJeans in Korea is as popular as any girl group in the history of the industry. Legitimately. And it's not just charts either. Their faces are everywhere as well as their songs. The petition to audit HYBE and investigate them received 8k votes in 1 night. Where did they come from? Protestors around the national assembly demanding the president's impeachment.

You're only cementing your place on the wrong side of history, if you think this story has a sad ending for NewJeans and not the corrupt organizations who are getting exposed left and right each month.

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Mnn, I'll quote you on that 2 years from now if you are still here. You are very welcome to do the same to me and if I'm wrong I'll give you your flowers. But I think you are in for a rude awakening. Newjeans could be twice as big as they are and the industry still wouldn't tolerate it. Good thing is we'll find out soon.

Looks like it's going to be even worse than I thought. It won't be an unofficial blacklisting, it will be a blacklisting openly endorsed by the entire KPOP industry to protect their own interests. It's no longer just NJ(MHJ) vs Hybe.

So in order of things (most likely) to happen:

1. All brand deals will run out and won't be extended (already happening).

2. Court case starts in a few months and during this time there will be no more content from them which probably lasts a year or longer.

3. They'll probably lose the case and they'll be blacklisted from the industry.

We'll see.

All signs point towards long drawn out legal battles. One that they most likely won't win.

As the years go by, they won't be gaining new fans since they won't be releasing new (expensive) songs and they won't be allowed to promote themselves. Perhaps media companies will unofficially blacklist them to keep a good relationship with HYBE. Business is business after all and KPOP is a ruthless business.

The fans will get older too and strong feelings that you once had will fade with time. Teenagers turn into adults in their 20s with their own worries. New groups will come and go fast and you'll find new favourites. I've seen this scenario played out before 15 years ago with a group even bigger and far more established than Newjeans.

Time is merciless and that is more true than ever in these times.

It could be career ending. The longer this problem continues, the worse it gets. Teenagers move on quickly especially nowadays. And as someone who just turned 30, time goes by fast.

Imagine this whole saga lasts 3 years with the whole lawsuit and everything. They won't release new music during this period. They will likely have very little performances due to limitations. Perhaps the broadcasts don't want to get on hybe's bad side so they don't flatput blacklist, but they'll "choose" to have other groups on instead of newjeans. Day by day their popularity will fade and the teenagers will go into their 20s. Life comes at them hard at that age and they will have other things to think about.

Long story short, the kpop industry is a pretty ruthless business and you have to stay active and visible otherwise people move on quickly. I lived through the DBSK break-up and lawsuit so I understand very well how that goes.

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People don't even know, or should i say remember, how live vocals sounds like. They've gotten used to being lied and deceived by kpop companies and they go with it. Users on this forum also cannot tell what's live and what's not and want to brag about their faves perfect live singing. And when you point out that those were not live vocals they accuse you of lying or being jealous.

Yes, it can't get worse.

Exactly. I might as well be a senior citizen in the KPOP community, because I started watching KPOP during the DBSK5 days. I never watched their MV's, only their live performances because it was actually live. And it was f*cking amazing.

Nowadays I try watching "live" performances from current groups and It's just... I can't take it seriously. It's literally 99% lipsync. And the worst part is that these kids and new fans in the comments all think it's live. They leave comments like; "these girls ate the cd" when it's clearly and obviously lipsync. It's frustrating. These companies have also really done a lot of work with trying to make it sound not lipsync by adding what I can only describe as a breath effect. Adding a little bit here and there to make it differ from the cd.

EDIT: Just to add some examples:

Back then and even now, when singers are not using hand-held microphones they're almost always lipsyncing for sure.

Clearly live with some lipsyncing parts: Full of imperfections, offbeat, volume differences(due to distance of microphone to mouth). Live is NEVER perfect and it's always different.

Clearly lipsync:

And this is an actual live version of Rising Sun: