And somefans react in very rude and immature ways to controversies. But sadly this type of behaviour is encouraged in Kpop fandoms on Twitter/X. And there's websites and YouTubers like KOOKIELIT and Haevix who add fuel to the fire. These types of "content creators" make controversy out of every little thing and sometimes take things out of context to create drama and get views.
And a lot of fans don't bother to fact check anything and jump into conclusions. This behaviour needs to be stopped.
Display Moreblah.. blah... yawn..
Go peddle your lack of self-respect elsewhere.
I have no interest in pop-psychology of an entire nation.. but if you are any sample. Then I can believe the worst of them. Never seen such insistence on dissing one's own people.
In any case, your Kpop oppars don't matter a shit to Indians, that much is well established.
You said that you are not reading, then why are you still replying? Move on. If my comments make you "yawn" then why are you talking to me? Stop your blah blah first. You are just mad.😂
And you are not interested in pop or music? Then what are you doing in this forum?
And I am dissing my own people? I criticised the Kardashians too. Are they my own people? know Indians don't care about Kpop. I never said we/they have to. But they do care about Hollywood. Bollywood celebrities and Ambanis worship them. And don't say that cringy oppa word to me.🤢
Indians don't need to like Korean entertainment or American entertainment. Indians don't need to invite any foreign celebrities in their family event. Ambanis did it's their choice but I just pointed out why they did it.
And that p*ssed you off real bad, are you a staff in the ambani house? Why do you care? I wasn't even talking to you, you replied to me first. Now you can't move on. 😂
Display MoreThat's a longer rant than even whyknock lecture.
I am not your psychiatrist, so not reading all that, whatever your obsessive hate is for Indian people.
You can deal with it yourself.
I find Indians much more rooted to their culture on an average, than many who have been colonized.
Of course one sign of still colonized people is that they hate their original culture and your exhibit all those signs.
Good luck with that.
I am not hating on Indians or my own culture. I am just pointing out the fact that people in Bollywood and people like the Ambanis literally worship the West.
Being deep rooted in culture but at the same time giving westerners more priority than they deserve, Isn't respecting your own culture.
If you don't want to read then don't reply. If you can't take constructive criticism about your own country then don't bother joining any conversation related to it.
And speaking of Psychiatrist, you are the one who desperately needs one. Cause you take everything personally and get mad real quick. You like to drag a conversation and talk about things that aren't even related to the conversation. Since you don't have any point that you can prove, other's comment seems like rant to you.😂
People like you who ignore every problem and pretend it's all good, are the ones, harming their own country and culture. You are the type of person who would invite people like Kim Kardashian in your wedding.😆🤢
Display MoreOh I understand fine, your gross generalization of Indian prejudice.
I just disagree with both the assertions,
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No Indians aren't that obsessed with the West in relative scales. For example, Indians still largely wear native clothing in the core wedding ceremony. Whereas Koreans, Western clothes are not common, particularly men.
About 30% of S Korean population are converts to Christianity.
Whereas only about 4% of Hindus have up their ancestral faith for Christianity. And that's not due to the lack of trying by missionaries be it under the British or now.
# secondly West is the dominant cultural hegemon of our age, so no kpop or non Anglo-West act is ever going to achieve the level of recognition as a top Western act would. That's not their individual lack, but because the Western culture is a huge amplifier,
While you gross generalize, to me it seems to have specific prejudice against your own people to repeatedly shade them.
Did you even read my comment? Seems like you just read the first part and completely lost your mind. Is my comment ONLY about Normal Indian people or the Ambanis and Bollywood? Why are you so offended and acting like a nationalist? You sound like a politician.
India is obsessed with the west. Specially Bollywood and Ambanis are. Ambanis literally worship the west like Bollywood does. They try too hard to be western.
Even their house is designed and built by US company, They go to the west for every occasion.
There's no way you can deny that. They are the main point of the conversation. Normal people aren't.
Why are bringing Korea here? Since you did, Korean people are Non-believers/Atheists not Christians. Christians are a minority there. Most east asian people are Non-believers and Buddhist, not Christians.
Koreans don't follow their traditions and I never said they do. They dress like westerns. But Koreans don't worship the west. They still prefer their standards.
And even in their culture dressing modestly isn't that of a big deal. They have always dressed less compared to south asians. In south asian culture, dressing modestly is a big deal.
And I never said that most indian don't wear traditional clothes. Most Indians dress very modestly. But that doesn't mean they don't like the west or hate the west. That has nothing to do with anything here.
How about we completely leave out normal Indian People and talk about the Bollywood and Ambanis only?
Can you say that Bollywood doesn't want to be like Hollywood? Then why do Bollywood actresses dress like that? (Like you said most Indians wear traditional clothes.) Actresses are celebrities they would obviously wear modern clothes but that doesn't mean they will have to be like Hollywood in every way.
Why do actors bragg about having multiple girlfriends? This is Indian culture?
Why do the Ambanis invite such a classless woman like Kim Kardashian? Is this Indian culture? Would you invite a woman who lets her t*ts & as* out and was associated with p*rn in your wedding? Is that Indian culture? No it's not Indian culture, it's western culture.
Just beacuse West is the popular culture that doesn't mean you have to ignore your own culture and turn into a wannabe.
You can disagree with me about the Normal people. Fine. But there's no way you can disagree with me that Bollywood and Ambanis worship the West.
No matter how popular Korean Celebrities/Culture becomes that has nothing to do with anything here. Cause the Ambanis would only invite the West. That's my point.
If you still don't agree with me then don't. Don't tell me how normal people do this or that. I am not generalizing them, I already explained about them. And They are not the point. Bollywood and Ambanis are. And if you don't agree with anything else then just move on.
Did you even read my comment? Seems like you just read the first part and completely lost your mind. Is my comment ONLY about Normal Indian people or the Ambanis and Bollywood? Why are you so offended and acting like a nationalist? You sound like a politician.
India is obsessed with the west. Specially Bollywood and Ambanis are. Ambanis are literally worship the west like Bollywood does. They try too hard to be western. There's no way you can deny that. They are the main point of the conversation. Normal people aren't.
Since you are bringing Korea here, most Korean people are Non-believers/Atheists not Christians. Christians are a minority there. Most east asian people are Non-believers and Buddhist, not Christians.
How about we completely leave out
Normal Indian People and talk about the Bollywood and Ambanis only?
Can you say that Bollywood doesn't want to be like Hollywood? Then why do Bollywood actresses dress like that? Why do actors bragg about having multiple girlfriends? This is Indian culture?
Why do the Ambanis invite such a classless woman like Kim Kardashian? Is this Indian culture? Would you invite a woman who lets her t*ts out and was associated with p*rn in your wedding? This that Indian culture? No it's not Indian culture, it's western culture.
Just beacuse West is the popular culture that doesn't mean you have to ignore your own culture and turn into a wannabe.
You can disagree with me about the Normal people. Fine. But there's no way you can disagree with me that Bollywood and Ambanis worship the West.
No matter how popular Korean Celebrities/Culture becomes that has nothing to do with anything here. Cause the Ambanis would only invite the West. That's my point.
If you still don't agree with me then don't. Don't tell me how normal people do this or that. I am not generalizing them, I already explained about them. And They are not the point. Bollywood and Ambanis are. And if you don't agree with anything else then just move on.
A billion people can have different opinions but at the same time, people can have similar views in a country. But I told you, I that's not the point here.
Main point here is Bollywood and the Ambanis. Both Bollywood and the Ambanis are West worshipers. They have no interest in East Asia.
People here who think that Kpop idols didn't get invited because of popularity or fandom reasons, are completely Wrong.
Kpop Idols are popular enough to be invited. And if the Ambanis were so concerned about popularity they wouldn't invite those American Instagram models nobody heard of.
And Even if Kpop idols were as popular as Taylor Swift or Rihanna. They still wouldn't be invited cause they are not Western. It's not that hard to understand.
Display MoreSeems you generalizing all Indians, based on what is called Bollywood. India is too vast and diverse to do so.
But yes, as I mentioned there is a tendency among the former colonies to look up to the former colonizers. India has that.
But it is also the tendency of colonized to run down their own people, in unnecessary comparison with others.
I am betting you are an a Indian , in some heritage, if not in citizenship.
I am Indian too. So I am Not generalizing everyone. Just saying things how it is. I know the mentality of people of this country(and other south asian people), they have a tendency to be nationalistic and at the same time, glorify and worship the west. NOT everyone but most Indians do think that West is the best part of the world.
Anyways, Normal people aren't even the point of the conversation here. So I won't bother much about that topic.
Bollywood and Ambanis are the point of this conversation. And everybody knows that how much Bollywood worships the west specially US.
They want to be like Hollywood in every way. From dress, language, drinking, partying to bragging about having multiple relationships. It's really annoying that they try too hard to be Hollywood.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate Bollywood, there are some celebrities I like. Me personally, I prefer the TV industry more.
Bollywood and a lot of influential people in india try too hard to be westerns is kind of cringe to be honest. You can be modern but that doesn't mean you have to make a big deal out of it.
Ambanis invited western celebrities cause they are west worshipers too.
The wedding was very grand and glamorous, inviting Bollywood celebrities and other high profile people is absolutely fine for a billionaire. But inviting unclassy people like Kim Kardashian in your wedding, is completely inappropriate. It's obvious they are pandering to the West. And invited only western celebrities cause they think westerners are only high level people rest are not.
My point is popularity clearly doesn't matter here, Ambanis didn't invite any Korean celebrity cause they aren't Western.
Display MoreI was answering the other user who claimed Indians have a western obsession.
But sure that could be a reason.
Come on, Kpop stars are nowhere near Western pop, when it comes to Global impact. Of course the major reason is not Western artists themselves, but the fact that Anglo-West is the Cultural hegemon of our age.
Who was it that said, the McDonald Golden Arches are the sign of a global empire than all the armies and navies .. something like that.
After all Kpop itself, is a western offshoot in Korea.
Even Latin music, which definitely has more reach and revenues, can't match up to Anglo-West.
That Kpop made a mark in Western market itself is a notable feat. But any more will be unrealistic.
I have watched the wedding. And Ambanis invited a bunch of US Instagram models who literally nobody in India and most of the world heard of. They still got invited but (apart from Samsung CEO) nobody from East Asia got invited. Not even any celebrity. It's quite obvious. It's nothing new.
Display MoreIf it is being done discretely, then it means there is no 'pride' associated with inviting idols to private occasions.
That's hardly unique to India, many formerly colonized nations are still culturally colonized.
For the matter, S.Korea is one of the most westernized countries, heck even Kpop is a western import, whereas in India, Classical/Devotional music is a huge market, and popular music struggles if not included in movies.
In any case, Rema - a Nigerian also performed at the Ambanis'. he is not 'Western'.
South Korea is westernised but they don't Worship the west. Kpop is inspired from western music but Kpop and western pop has significant difference when it comes to beauty standards, fashion of celebrities and fanservice. They won't change that regardless of how much American stans cry about it. Koreans prioritise themselves over west.
But Indians don't, Indians think they have to prioritize the west before them. Classical music you mentioned is no where near popular than Bollywood music. Bollywood and T-series music is very popular in India.
Bollywood tries their best to be like Hollywood. Bollywood celebrities always dress like them, drink like them, party like them, they always speak English (even though most of them aren't fluent in English). Western culture is glorified in Bollywood.
Apart of the director Sanjay Leela Banshali other Bollywood directors don't bother making any actual indian movie nowadays. West worshiping is kind of a trend here in the south asian side.
Ambanis, I noticed they always go to western countries for their events and invite a bunch of westerners.
And speaking of Rema, he is popular in America and he did a song with Selena that's why he was invited. Otherwise he wouldn't have been invited either.
People are talking about the Ambani wedding. The real reason Ambanis didn't invite any Kpop Idol is beacuse cultural difference and male kpop idols are way too attractive, glamorous and modern for India (and most of the world). Where only sterotypical manly men are allowed. They didn't invite any female kpop idols either cause they are not western. The kpop fandom has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.
These internet addicts think their fandom matters but in reality people only care about celebrities no one gives a dam about the fandoms.
People are forgetting that ambanis are indians. And Indians think everything western is high level and they think east asians are less. Most Indians, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis Worship the west. That's why they don't invite Koreans. And Indian celebrities try their best to copy Hollywood celebrities. Bollywood is a Hollywood wannabe.
BTS Blackpink NCT StrayKids are quite famous worldwide. Casual fans exist they don't make a big deal out of everything like those stans do. They just enjoy music and good looking celebs they don't care politics and everything else.
And general public knows that Korean music exists, even though they don't listen to it. If Korean celebrities weren't famous then there wouldn't be any news about them. They wouldn't be branded ambassadors of big brands. Media won't bother about them cause Media reports what makes them money.
Kpop idols and any Korea celebrities aren't invited to ambani wedding NOT beacuse they are not famous enough BUT beacuse Indians don't care about them. Indians love the west and everything western.
