Posts by GoodnEvil

Quote from YamaChwan

I'm the most objective person in here.

Fans don't have infinite money. The law of diminishing returns isn't a complex or abstract concept.

If you keep releasing albums each month, it would kick in almost immediately. I saw more fans saying they would have to decide how to best spend their funds than I saw fans saying they'd buy everything.

In what universe do most fans have the funds to buy every version of every album in back to back drops in under a month? It's not realistic.

And NewJeans still sold 2.1 million copies total. It's disingenuous to treat this the same way we treat other album drops. It's four total songs at the end of the day, all released in the same comeback era within a month of each other.

4 songs totaling over 2.1 million album sales in a month. Those are the facts. That will never not be an impressive flex.

You're wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise or that I remotely care what people here think of my case. I'm here to gloat and mock not curry favor.

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Perhaps the most delusional person here (excluding rand), but go off I guess.

Newjeans isn't releasing the new iPhone, it's just an album. Plenty of fans can afford both. We often see fans buying multiple copies of the same album just to get the photocard they want, or sometimes just to increase their favs sales. It's certainly not a small number of people. However, plenty could probably only afford one. At the end of the day we don't know how many fans fall into either side.

Quote from YamaChwan

It's completely related.

People came in crying foul at my combining album sales, when that is literally the method that has ALWAYS been used to decide the most prestigious awards in the industry.

Spin and narrative is what people are using to attempt to downplay NewJeans' ability to sell 2 million albums in a single month, something they've never done before, regardless of release strategy.

All I've done is present facts. Any issue people have with those facts is a personal problem but not my problem.

If they think it's so easy to sell that many albums, then let's see other girl groups do it and get the same results.

If they think it isn't taxing on the wallets of the fandom, then how about they try buying every version of every album in back to back monthly releases and see how their bank account cries.

Like CLEARLY that would have an impact, and that's why nobody does it. Except ADOR and NewJeans.

Only the most diehard fans are buying copies of every album. The average fan will not spend that kind of money. What kind of reality do you people live in?

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See, continuing to deny and try to discount the idea that a fan would buy every album, when it is common, and push the other side of the coin, when both are likely to be quite impactful, is why your facts are not objective. You're presenting the facts that suit your spin, and not the ones that don't. I have no problem with you trying to push a narrative or a spin because people are taking this whole "newjeans is declining" thing way too far, but presenting yourself as the only objective one, when you're spinning just as hard as them, is not helping your case.

Quote from YamaChwan

I will repeat myself.

This is literally how album daesangs are decided; it's the industry started. Period. It's not spin but literally the objective method of looking at total album sales.

If a girl group can sell 2 million albums in a month, that's a huge accomplishment regardless of the release strategy.

It worked so well for NewJeans BECAUSE they are NewJeans, just like the triple title track approach has only yielded superb results for them.

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It being a criteria for how some daesangs are decided is rather unrelated to the narrative you're trying to create that there hasn't been some drop off in sales. How some show may combine sales does little to connect to one release's selling power that people are most likely to be discussed by people, whether it be on this forum, in the news, or elsewhere. Like I said in my post, this drop off is not as bad as most users are trying to make it seem. 2 million in any way is amazing. Which is why I can understand your post and how hard you've been trying to fight those users. However, discounting the logic that has been pointed out many times, that fans are likely to buy both single albums, thus inflating the combined sales, does not paint you as objective. Especially when you acknowledge one side of the coin that some fans could only afford one, while completely rejecting the other side, it comes off as spin.

Just some numbers for others in the thread.

Get Up sold about 1.9 million in the first 1.5 months.

OMG single's first 1.5 months was 1.1 million.

Quote from YamaChwan

Here's the thing. Combining sales figures is exactly how daesangs are decided at year end.

I'm not doing anything that isn't an industry standard practice.

There is no such category as peak individual album sales. It's always total.

That's why NewJeans broke the Circle Record for total year end album sales last year, an accomplishment people keep ignoring no matter how much I mention it.

Instead of doing mental gymnastics to find some way to downplay what NewJeans did this summer, I'm looking at it objectively.

In one month they sold 2.1 million albums. It took a YEAR for Get Up to sell that many copies.

How is that not a noticeable increase in demand?

Go ahead and let other girl groups mimic their back to back monthly album drop and see if they get the same results. It would go about as well as all the other times other companies tried to emulate NewJeans.

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I'm not sure trying to spin things is looking at things objectively.

Quote from Minazuki

I think there's a "in-between" when It comes to 'How Sweet' and 'Supernatural' sales. Because, the same way that there are people who bought both albums as different albums and wouldn't buy more How Sweet or Supernatural copies If the gap between both was bigger, there are people who chose to buy just one of the albums, because they simply can't afford to have both.

The thing is that we just can't have any estimate of what represent the majority. The only thing we can do is not to count both albums together, but still recognize 'How Sweet' and 'Supernatural' sales individually do not represent what NewJeans could sell with a proper roll out and without two albums being sold simultaneously. It doesn't have to be 8 or 80.

This is the take I was looking for. Mostly Agreed.

It's clear there was a decline, but not as bad as people make it out to be. We can't combine two albums since there are tons of people that would buy both How Sweet and Supernatural, but only one copy of Get Up. Sure there will be fans that can only afford to buy one, but we have no idea how many either. The sales probably wouldn't have been in the 2 million range, but in the mid to upper 1 million range for sure if there was just one release.

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but Twice, there sales go up every album

Taking a minute to just look at the numbers, that is far from true.

Quote from David33

Yes, Wonder Girls was the first ever group with a US tour and the first group that was invited to an American television show, but SNSD was the group that influenced every other girl groups, because WG wasn't a typical girl group like SNSD.

Also, if you can't write a comment without calling me a hater or bitter, just ignore me. I don't care how successful, BP or any other group.

The whole Kpop fashion brand deals was started with G-Dragon, but we're talking about girl groups, and yes, 2NE1 and SNSD were on the top in that as well.

SME never promoted SNSD worldwide like YG and JYP did it, that's why this whole comparison is ridiculous.

In Asia, no one is bigger than SNSD, outside of Asia, it's all about BP and TWICE.

But, as I said, different times. It's like comparing Van Gogh with a new but mainstream painter.

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SM tried really hard to promote SNSD in America and English speaking countries, it just was received very poorly.

Quote from YamaChwan

When did SNSD ever really decline? After 2015, they began prioritizing their solo activities a lot more, and the group comebacks were more special gifts to the fans, for their 10 year and their 15 year anniversary. Getting a top 5 song 15 years after your debut is pretty stellar.

It's not anything massive like Twice debuting in the 1400's on Melon, but there was a decline across several metrics. Their later singles after I Got a Boy weren't consistent as far as charting, with their last regular comeback singles peaking at 12 and 32. Their albums also sold significantly less after that, with Lion Heart and Holiday Night selling about half of what I Got a Boy and The Boys did.

Their Forever One song wasn't in consideration for me as it's more of a special comeback that had the nostalgia element that has shown to benefit most groups.

I would still rank SNSD above Twice because they maintained relevance longer and didn't have such a drop off.

Blackpink no contest.

Really the only one of the three that didn't decline heavily in any way during their run. SNSD to some extent and Twice massively.

I'd say NJ is a mix of real and faked. The percentage can be argued. They still had massive hits regardless of that, even if it is less impressive now.

Quote from xPaulettex

I believe it was real, but as I have said before gg fans tend to move on to the latest and greatest, with a few exceptions like BP, Twice, etc..

idk if Twice is a good example considering how their charting has become.

Twice's string of flops is about as long as their string of #1's, which is also impressive.

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BP has:

Consistent hits on Korea ever since debut.

Most streamed gg ww and idk why streams are used as a drag, must be bc they didn't decline.

Their sales are amazing by the amount of physical releases they had

Most popular and successful kgg ww and their last tour proved it again

BP is the most certified kgg ww and in a lot of countries like Brazil, where I live

The top4 most popular and successful female idols of kpop

BP are legends and their status in kpop ww and even Korea just proves it.

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This

BP having more overall digital points than Twice despite having way less songs and being inactive is honestly embarrassing for Twice.