They don't have the same aura at all
What I loved about Sulli is how vibrant she was,
the peach really do suit her
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,She seems like a nice girl, she's not very pretty, she's not untalented but her singing and dancing are average.
I don't understand why someone who likes kai feels obligated to support one of his relative, that's super weird.
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of course she can, only mutes can't produce sounds with their throat.
I don't think she's a good singer though, she's a bit too nasal for my taste, but her cute tone makes wonder in Twice's songs !
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The only thing worrying here is pedo accusations and allowing that person to interact with a fanbase of underage kids is disgusting but then again this is a random person on quora. You don't need credentials to make up a bunch of claims and hope one of them comes to so you can start a successful kpop predictions account.
Hm let's be careful there.
You can be a legal adult and date someone minor when you're actually less than one year appart.
Context matter before using the word pedophilia.
Beside, it would be legal pedophilia and not "reak" pedophilia, where it's involving prepupar humans.
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everyone should learn about it at some point but americans must understand that our vocabulary and education are often wildly different. A lot of people are not aware about the racial connotation behind certain words, just like you wouldn't about some of their.
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It's a song about either enjoying ice cream or enjoying getting fucked.
Either or.
But to be honest, if it made Mnet's censorship, SK doesn't give a fuck either way.
it made mnet's censorship and sk doesn't care caure they're shit at english.
And second option, obviously.
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I don't mind them singing it. But the choreo was a little.....suggestive.
One of a girl, Dayeon (the one with the solo dance part) made it herself
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Run away is their best title track, for a top 3 I would add 0x1=Lovesong and can't you see me,
I would have voted for Fairy of Shampoo if it wasn't a cover/revamp of the original by Light&Salt (such a lovely song)
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I read that, i’m fine and all about it but there’s one glaring point.
So you’re basically fine when teens do know about sex and express their sexuality AS LONG AS it’s private? As long as there’s no adult around them for it to see? Sorry, but that doesn’t stand for me. Like you said, that’s already inhibition.
I actually do agree about being more transparent about clothing and how it is viewed and restricted. But this line coming from you doesn’t stand. Just because there are creepy adults doesn’t mean they have to “hide” themselves. Nevertheless, this obviously is a question that i am unrelating to GP999 and more on the general view of teenager’s sexuality.
Regarding the song of Ice Cream. I actually thought there was enough censorship in it for it to be 16+ for me. Like 18+ would definitely be, like, Something. Reminds me of those Nickelodeon shows with hidden adult jokes that you wont understand as a kid.
No, I don't want childrens teens to feel ashamed of their curiosity, desire and experimentations, nor do I want them to hide it.
But I think there is a fine line between a teen discussing sex with someone of his/her age or with an adult and a teen singing about it on a platform used by thousand of unknown people. And it's not like the girls made the lyrics, they're not expressing themselves, their doubts, their questions, their awe, no ! They're singing about very explicit sexual acts that most of them probably never experimented, and not for their peers (it's not a school festival)but for adults, and worse, strangers. That's what bothers me.
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You dont understand it AT ALL.
Firstly, i explained to you how anecdotally, that even young ones will understand what is sexual without knowing another language. There’s enough cues to it musically and visually,
Secondly, if they understand that it is sexual, then they will obviously know the MOST OBVIOUS HINT. It’s that you lick the ice cream. Literally, that’s all that you need to know to realize if it’s age-appropriate for you and then decide then and there.
Lastly, Somi’s Bang Bang is ALWAYS BROUGHT UP to the conversation of “pedo culture in mnet survival shows”. You’re saying that because she knows the lyrics, then that performance was Okay. But then, it’s not according to majority of complainers about the same topic all through-out, not just akp, but to reddit, twitter, pann-choa, etc.
The point was that, whether they fully understand (like somi) or not (like how u assume), it will NOT MATTER. People will literally cling to this topic, still.
You said to someone he/she phrased your thoughts better, just read my answer to the indeed more eloquent comment.
Thanks for your passion though.
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I think we have to acknowledge that this has a long History on pop music.
Double entendre is a staple of pop music making going back to perhaps the 40s or earlier.
If you look for it you will find the examples.
As it come to this performance.
Honestly I think it's fine.
The fact is that on a whole the entendre is there but really not at the forefront. Lyrics are often to some extent incidental or beside the point. They're there. But people often don't really focus on them. At least intellectually.
I mean look how many teens sing all kinds of songs that when you get to the details might be inappropriate if you take the double meanings, but most people aren't engaging with them that way.
Similarly here.. to everyone doing this and the people giving it I don't think the goal or presentation is about the song as a sexual act (even if the exact lyrics could be taken that way)
Most are just engaging with it as a fun pop song with fun sounding signing they can dance to.
I mean prime example.
Ever look at the lyrics to TWICE Knock Knock.
It's basically a back and forth about trying to get a girl to give it up.
But it's still one of the most wholesome and sweet songs in their repertoire.
It doesn't function as a "sex" song in the end.
I think that can be the case here.
Intellectually ?
Do you have to make any effort to understand what cream stand for ? The song obviously sexual, which I don't care about. What I care about is that the girls are not in control of what they're projecting. How adults gave the an english sexual song to japanese, korean and chinese minors and asked them to perform it on tv. That's gross imo and blatant dog whistling (but well kpop, music industry, the world huhn !)
Also Knock Knock and Ice Cream are not on the same level, yes you can read it as someone teasing the vulva/clitoris of a girl before vaginal penetration but it's not as in your face and it's wrapped with a nice cutesy sound and look contrary to Ice Cream.
Another iconic example, Banana allergy Monkey.
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I thought a lot about it and my opinion is. Yes, it's in bad taste and I definitely wouldn't put in the show. Especially because the girls don't have full control of what they are presenting.
But I think that there's a slight misrepresentation on the topic. These girls are what? 16 up? They're are teenagers in 2021, they have access to a looot of information. I definitely don't think they're out there not knowing what the Ice Cream song is about. I'm sure they have seen the BP Ice Cream video, read lyrics, translations, comments, talked with their friends everything about it.
I don't think it does teenagers or society any good to believe anyone under 18 doesn't have a sexuality or desires to express that. God knows I did when I was one. And the repression or chastising of that leads to many dangerous and unhealthy situations. There should always be opportunity for young people to discuss and express these things.
Yeah, I'm following you on everything (even if I still don't think these girls did a full deep dive in the song like oh yeah ok here it's about anal, and theres it's a cuni and yeah here we're licking cum, btw do you swallow ?) especially about the bigotry around children and teen's sexuality.
But do we want young humans discussing and expressing sex on tv for the entertainement of adults ?
Clearly the creators of the show should have never proposed the song for minors without at least changing the most blatantly sexual lyrics.
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I agree that the song is sexual in nature and that teens shouldn't be performing to it. The thing is though that this issue runs deep in virtually all cultures, and that is that pedophilia and the sexualization of girls is heavily normalized in dance, music, movies, and other forms of entertainment. I mean for example in the US girls in schools are told not to wear "revealing" clothes in elementary and middle school because they'd be distracting, but then there's beauty pageants where little girls are modeled after provocative adult performers and its seen as acceptable. The thing is that Korea like (most) countries isn't keen on pedophilia but there are these symptoms of it like I see in all cultures.
exactly.
And even by teaching young girls to wear "proper" clothing we're not really protecting them but making them hyper-aware of their body and in charge of the way people view or might view it which is insane ! Girls shouldn't be careful at 13 or any other age about their attractiveness, it should really be the owner of the look. Education, no shame !
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True - this pedo garbage has destroyed Hollywood and Western music - I hate seeing it come to K-Pop.
Vulgarity does not equal maturity - just the opposite.
I mean, kpop is this way since its creation, it's becoming worse and more apparent cause they're folllowing the processus of extremly apparent sexualisation of the west but it's been there all along since the beginning of the star industry.
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the difference is the lyrics aren't being showcased, it's the trainees themselves. so of course it would be 'morally' worse if they were shown with more revealing outfits and did obscene choreography
at a certain point you will find the entirety of life creepy because sex is a great motivator for what goes on. why are all these old men starting idol agencies with 99% chance of failing when there's MUCH better things they could invest their money on? because those other business ventures don't include being surrounded by a bunch of young pretty women. you have to know where to pick your battles. "dirty lyrics" concern is 80's mommy-knows-best tier shit. they tried it on rap music but what ended up happening? it became even more popular than ever. if you want to go all out with some ideal about perfect social decorum, you might be better off living in China
uhhh do you really think you're doing something by stating that the world is pervy and that sex is a great marketing tool ? Dear friend, thanks, I know.
A forum is a space for discussion, and humans tend to love echanging thoughts: you're not only being a coward, you're being lazy and antisocial as well.
And I'm pretty sure China isn't free of child prostitution.
But yeah haha the rest of the world isn't either
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Man i danced to wiggle wiggle and didnt know shit about the song’s lyrics. I know enough to know when a song IS sexual.
Do u honestly, i mean honestly, think that teens, even without knowledge to a language, would believe that a song from pop stars are gonna be thought of as something as innocent as “just about an ice cream”. Koreans literally have Food Metaphors when it comes to sexual organs and innuendos 😭
Then tell me why Jun Somi was the brunt of the post in those complaints? They literally were dishing it out on staffs because SHE DANCED TO IT 💀
You makes little to no sense.
You start to say you danced to a very sexual song without understand it, so you're proving my point about teens not grasping the whole meaning behind foreign lycrics.
Then, first, I do think they understand it's sexual, but not the true extent: we're talking about vaginal and anal penetration, annulingus, cunnilingus, cum play. Secondly, the problem is not them singing about sex, the problem is singing about sex without exactly understanding what you're saying on tv in front of hundreds of adults.
Laslty I don't get why you're so insistent about dragging somi to this post. Somi speaks english, she likely understand everything about this song and she danced to it knowing what she was doing, I' totzlly fine with that. But the performance of planet 999, as I explain numerous time, is a whole different situation.
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Sorry, I wasn’t trying to say they were at fault - my point was meant to be that teenagers will think certain things are ok because they feel more grown-up than they are - therefore it really should be the people in charge of them and these performances who shield them and err on the side of caution, but I was not clear enough about that.
No, they probably don’t get all the innuendos, but there was enough publicity about this when it was released, that I reckon unless they were living under a rock, they would probably get the jist.
Anyway, yes. Not the wisest choice to put it lightly.
oh no I understood what you meant in your first comment, I was simply reassuring my own position on teenagers talking about sex, I think we're on the same page.
The thing is my whole point is exactly what you said: the people in charge on them didn't protect them at all.
They should have change the lyrics or explained it clearly with the girls to see if they were okay with it.
The idea of a young girl singing about loving slurping cum without even knowing it seems pretty dangerous to me.
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Please direct me to a “concerned” post when 17year old men were showing their abs on stage?
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we been knew, our society loves minors being sexy, male or female, I don't see where your point is going.
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I just looked up double dipping....ew, do you really think the lyrics are insinuating this particular act??? I think you're letting your imagination run away with you lol. I think this song teases sexual innuendo but i highly doubt you're supposed to be getting porn style images from it.
oh my.
That's what I thought.
You're so innocent !
That's exactly why I was concerned, double dipping means what it means. It's hardly an innuendo !
If you're not convinced by this one "I'm good with the cream" is even clearer, cream is an obvious slang for cum. As we're talking about licking ice cream cones from the start of the song, it's not hard to see where it's going.
