Posts by 9397Duo

    Not only BTS lots of groups have recieved so much hate back then. Both 2nd and 3rd gen has dragged each other. But instead of changing that toxic culture ARMYs have even taken it to the next level.

    It's funny you compare the 2012's influence to 2017's influence. Time, situation & everything has different.

    BB has been invited in US award shows and recieved awards. But yet your fellow ARMY has called them some token Asian group and they had no real US fans lmao. Then how they could chart in BB200 in 2012. The difference is during 2nd gen no one has cared about success. We have just enjoyed the music. We haven't even know BB has gone to US, recieved awards. We haven't even had goal for YT streaming. Everything was just going by the flow. But now it's all about success. That success is much more fueled by mass streaming, mass voting & bulk buying.


    it’s not the VMAs, dude. The EMAs are not a US award show ffs but a European alternative to it. Stop lying about BB being the first to attend a US award show when they weren’t.

    Finally, a version I may be able to afford!


    I think many ARMYs have already expressed what I was going to say about BigHit only revealing and releasing the “standard”/more affordable version of the album now after being vague about its existence throughout the entire rollout of the Deluxe edition to get only rich ARMYs to buy a $50 album during the pandemic. The classists and company stans have defended their decisions at every turn with their “It’s a luxury, not a necessity” justification, knowing full well that this is Kpop where fans obsessively doing everything they can to support their faves’ charting/sales (which usually includes buying physical albums) is the norm and BigHit is aware of this, especially with fans’ knowledge of the boys being more heavily involved in its creation than before.


    “They never said there was going to be a standard version” y’all say, right in the face of BigHit cheekily naming the album a “Deluxe Edition” when those two words together have always meant an alternative (extended) version of an album exists for any other artist. Guess that despite making more bank on it, they still wanted MOTS:7’s sales numbers.


    It’s even more ironic that they keep calling this a gift. If you have to shell out more money than usual to purchase something, it’s not a gift of “appreciation”. :S


    Anyway, I’ll be buying this one although I wish they had released this earlier during the Grammy voting period at least.

    "Twice ranked 3rd with streams not so far behind BP’s " you did but anyway defend all you want just keep bp out yall mouth

    Yes, I compared Twice to not just BP but all the other groups that you conveniently ignored.


    The main point:


    AKP users claim that they’re nugu outside of Korea and Japan but global streams show otherwise. How?


    They’re 3rd behind only BTS and BP. And their streams are not so pathetically far behind BPs (I DID say that BP are much bigger than them globally regardless). They’re above all these other Kpop groups like NCT, SKZ, IDLE etc that AKP deems “internationally popular”.


    How then are they still only popular in two countries? You can’t go around pushing this narrative and then get mad when others are surprised to see stats that point otherwise.

    Since you wanna compare streaming. Blackpink one album with 1.1billion stream twice whole stream for last year has 1.1billion stream. Twice benefit from having over a 150 song to stream. Not even one twice album has hit over a 200m stream stop comparing

    I mean, that’s great for BP? We all know they’re much bigger than Twice globally.


    That still doesn’t take away the fact that Kpop fans love parading the narrative that Twice only has two markets while other Kpop groups like NCT, SKZ, IDLE etc are globally popular. When we look at these streaming numbers, the surprise from some users is expected.


    If Twice’s streams are “pathetic”, what does that say for the rest under them?

    you

    I don’t see how it has anything to do with this

    Ggs do better in streaming while bgs do better with sales that’s why nct charts better than twice on bb200 while twice has better Spotify stats

    ??? Not sure how BB200 factors into the convo.


    It has everything to do with this. SugaKitty was surprised that Twice ranked 3rd with streams not so far behind BP’s and ahead of so many other groups like NCT, Stray Kids, G-IDLE and others whom AKP users constantly tout to be “internationally popular”. It’s not a shade when we’re all made to believe that they’re only popular in Korea (where Spotify isn’t used) and Japan. Yet you assumed she was a ONCE and proceeded to flip at her and call Twice’s streams “pathetic”. Thing is, she wasn’t the only one who’s surprised. Many of us were too.

    people drag bp everyday all the time using twice

    Why shouldnt i do it too?

    This is pretty hypocritical coming from u when I’ve seen u drag bp multiple times

    Idk what’s so surprising about twice being third when they the second biggest gg internationally and have been third for quite some time

    That’s why I said you get upset when ARMYs downplay BP but have no qualms dragging another GG. ^^


    It IS surprising because, despite being the 3rd biggest group overall, people on this forum often act as if Twice is nugu outside of Korea and Japan when their global Spotify streams trumps even other groups that are considered to be “internationally popular” like NCT and Stray Kids.


    I would hardly call that “pathetic”.

    twice pump out music every month while bp have 23 songs

    You do the maths

    Saw your previous unedited reply. Even if it had a been a ONCE, you were being really aggressive to them. I myself was surprised to Twice in 3rd place above so many other 3rd Gen peers—who also have multiple comebacks and huge discographies—because people on this forum have been pushing the narrative that they’re absolute nugus outside of Korea and Japan. Their Spotify numbers show otherwise, that while not having as many streams as BTS and BP, they could still hold their own against other Kpop acts who are deemed more popular than them internationally.


    You seem to get upset when some ARMYs downplay your other bias group but you have no qualms dragging another GG to filth to spite another fandom.

    Nope. Kpop community has already been established in US before BTS. KCON has begun in 2012 in US due to demand. The first KCON held was simple. But it has attracted so many non kpoppers cuz kpop's unqiueness was it's amazing performance. 2013 KCON has attracted double the amount of previous amount of fans. 2014's KCON was massive. It has broadcast by lots of TV channels in various western countries. The grand performances have all published in various US publications. It was also after the whole world knew the existence of PSY's GS. Due to its success KCON has started to be held in other countries since then. BTS was in 2014's KCON. The rest story is all credits to BTS. They have stand out from other kpop groups, they were hardworking and talented. That's why they have achieved this height. But without that initial demand created by 2nd gen groups we don't know story would be different. In 2015, Emma Stone has mentioned SNSD and 2ne1 during TV and said the amazing performances of KPOP. They whole crowd was shouting & clapping it shows kpop was still there. 2nd gen groups have showed amazing performances that's why in the first lots of TV channels in the west has decided to broadcast it. If they have really failed no TV channel would broadcast it in the first place.

    Yeah lol, nope. The audacity to compare mere Kcon concerts to TVXQ’s revival of Hallyu in Japan where they’d brought Kpop to the mainstream there. Where you’re not just selling a few albums and doing small Kpop shows but selling out domes, stadiums, getting hit songs and appearing on the biggest shows in Japan. When Japanese labels would also sign these Kpop groups instead of just bringing them over for 1 or 2 joint concerts.


    When myaza said that past acts had failed to succeed in the US, she wasn’t talking about starting small niches and conventions that only Kpop fans would know. She meant Kpop groups actually being able to make a dent on their charts and compete with local acts, appear more than once on their most popular shows, establishing direct album distribution for their peers in Kpop and creating more opportunities for US labels to actually sign these groups and take them under their wing among others. She’s referring to Kpop starting to become a more normalized topic of conversation in the media and pop culture. Past acts like Wonder Girls and SNSD have tried appearing on a few shows in the US but where has that led them? CL signed with a US label too but that got her nowhere and no one else followed. Why were Kpop companies so averse to focusing promotions in US and the West after them? Why was there only a huge industry belief and push to start heavily focusing on US promotions after 2017?

    Who isn’t? I can’t remember anyone shading the 1.gen.

    Where did I say you were shading them? Lol.


    I said give credit where credit’s due to the actual pioneers of Kpop first before trying to push 3rd Gen fandoms to bow down to your 2nd gen faves while ignoring the ones who paved the way for yours. Without Seo Taiji, there would be no Kpop. Without Yang Hyun Suk, there would be no BigBang. Heck, without the Japanese idol industry, the Kpop idol industry that all our faves including yours thrive in would never have even existed.


    This whole “paving the way” BS blew up in the community because certain 2nd gen fandoms were writing essays on how their faves deserved to be in BTS’ place back in 2017 everytime they appeared on American TV. Since they couldn’t change the the situation, they flooded the comments section whining about how BTS should thank their seniors for getting to appear on Ellen and Kimmel.

    Shooter ARMYs who defend BTS and correct antis who try to misrepresent BTS’ achievements and numbers or accuse them of malicious acts are fine. Because if no one steps in to refute lies and misinformation about them and all ARMYs play nice, people will start believing them as the truth and pass falsities on to newer fans. It’s partly the reason why Carats have to deal with Kpop fans constantly overlooking 17’s achievements and top group status—because their fans are too caught up in being the “nice” fandom that they’re not vocal enough about their faves’ accomplishments.


    But shooter ARMYs who purposely scour the Internet to find one random account with only 10 followers calling BTS ugly and untalented just to quote them with clapbacks so the rest of the fandom would view them as Bangtan’s savage “saviors” have gotta go. They’re the ones blowing up irrelevant tweets with 5 Likes that should’ve been ignored and forgotten.