Why don't sm let their groups produce?

    I see kpop fans don't consider sm groups as real artists because they don't produce their music. Even though the groups have the best vocalists and some of the best dancers but it seems that still is not enough for kpop fans do respect them as artists. So why do you think sm doesn't let them produce and get more respect?


    also, do you think vocals and dancing aren't real talents? Why are they considered lower than producing? It's not like most kpop idols produce on their own anyway, so how is writing two lines in a song produced by a dozen producers more respectable a talent than a proficient vocalist?

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    If you think about it, it's usually the rappers (those who actually wanted to rap) who are also producers; if you write your own verses a lot chances are you might get interested in writing the whole thing. (Also rap isn't as easily taught as singing, you can learn diction but you need to put your own creativity into it if you're serious about it, so you'll begin writing your own verses...you see where this is going. ) However SM has never put emphasis on rap.


    On top of that, SM is known for being very highly controlling in the creative aspect when it comes to idol groups, if that would be an issue for a potential trainee they simply wouldn't audition.


    Also I'm not sure how much this matters but SM sort of has an overarching sound

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    so how is writing two lines in a song produced by a dozen producers more respectable a talent than a proficient vocalist?

    this looks like a strawman, I've never seen anyone claim a group like that is self producing–well I actually have a few times, but they got widely made fun of

    Nct members do write their own raps and some even actively take part in the creative direction of their songs. Not to mwntion, in the new nct lab project, members have total control over their songs eg. Mark

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    this looks like a strawman, I've never seen anyone claim a group like that is self producing–well I actually have a few times, but they got widely made fun of

    I can't think of any kpop group that's truly self produced, all of them work alongside other more experienced producers but the idols get all the credit and praise. There are also groups where only 1 or 2 members write / produce and yet the whole group gets called "self produced" and all the members get praise and acclaim by association.

    There is no fully self-produced group so it's not just an SM thing. All groups in all companies work with more experienced people but idols tend to get most or all the credit for it even if they only contributed a small amount.

    On a variety show a long time ago Heechul said that it's because in order for their songs to get chosen they have to surpass the best of the best (meaning Kenzie and Yoo Young Jin). There are several SM artists who write music (Super Junior, Shinee, NCT, EXO, SNSD all have... I'm not totally sure about Red Velvet because I'm not as familiar with their discography), kpop stans just choose to ignore it because they want to drag them.

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    I can't think of any kpop group that's truly self produced, all of them work alongside other more experienced producers but the idols get all the credit and praise. There are also groups where only 1 or 2 members write / produce and yet the whole group gets called "self produced" and all the members get praise and acclaim by association.

    I can't speak for others but my self producing faves are the main writers of their songs and usually work with 2 others at most, we as a fandom also sometimes talk about other producers because one of them for instance is a close friend of a member and this member has praised him many times too, and every member, even the ones not in the production line, has more writing credits than the average idol—just saying it's not always like you say

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    Nct members do write their own raps and some even actively take part in the creative direction of their songs. Not to mwntion, in the new nct lab project, members have total control over their songs eg. Mark

    Yes, I'm aware, and I think that's really cool! I was speaking more generally so I missed them for that reason

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    I can't think of any kpop group that's truly self produced, all of them work alongside other more experienced producers but the idols get all the credit and praise. There are also groups where only 1 or 2 members write / produce and yet the whole group gets called "self produced" and all the members get praise and acclaim by association.

    OP, I don't think It's right what people say about SM groups. Great vocals and dancing skills should be respect as talent and the beautiful and artistically form of self-expression they are in their own. In the end of the day, singing and dancing are in the definition of art.


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    OP, I don't think It's right what people say about SM groups. Great vocals and dancing skills should be respect as talent and the beautiful and artistically form of self-expression they are in their own. In the end of the day, singing and dancing are in the definition of art.


    That's admirable.

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    also, do you think vocals and dancing aren't real talents? Why are they considered lower than producing? It's not like most kpop idols produce on their own anyway, so how is writing two lines in a song produced by a dozen producers more respectable a talent than a proficient vocalist?

    true lol it's annoying when people said groups who don't self produce are less talented just because they don't self produce.

    Because SM artist doesn't receive an advantage in comparison of all the other idols from other agencies

    they are treated like any other producer in SM, they don't go to the CEO, present their song and ask to be add to the album like other idols


    they have to go through the same procedure than any other songwriter and producer, they have to submit anonymously their song, and then SM team listen to all the demo they received and choose the best one or the one who fit the best the concept. they don't receive any preferential treatment


    i remember how seohyun said that she submit songs for years for SNSD album but none of them were accepted by the SM team, until she submit songs for her solo album who fit the concept

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