Why do so many people

still act like charting and views and album sales etc are some massive achievement when it's been shown time and time again how easy it is to manipulate them?

so how do we measure achievement

we have no choice but to work on what we have

What is important then???

Y'all love to pick and choose

they dont have their own achievements to celebrate

is it so hard to figure out

ikr have you seen aespa's album sales? like we all know there floating somewhere with sharks right now

Music has never been about achievements, before kpop I don't think I've ever heard anyone talking about music refer to charts or sales to highlight a group or artist. But kpop isn't about music, it's about choosing someone who represents you so you can live vicariously through them from the safety of your device.

Album sales are definitely irrelevant in today's music industry. Views and streams? nope, not when it's the leading way to consump music nowadays and most kpop groups flop there

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Music has never been about achievements, before kpop I don't think I've ever heard anyone talking about music refer to charts or sales to highlight a group or artist. But kpop isn't about music, it's about choosing someone who represents you so you can live vicariously through them from the safety of your device.

What about western pop music? Swifties? Beliebers?

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Album sales are definitely irrelevant in today's music industry. Views and streams? nope, not when it's the leading way to consump music nowadays and most kpop groups flop there

But views can still be manipulated and mass streamed…

How else will they feel good about themselves?

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so how do we measure achievement

we have no choice but to work on what we have

Why do we need to measure achievement?

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What is important then???

Y'all love to pick and choose

The music?

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Album sales are definitely irrelevant in today's music industry. Views and streams? nope, not when it's the leading way to consump music nowadays and most kpop groups flop there

Views and streams are the easiest and cheapest to manipulate.

if your favs don't have them just say that, success are measured by metrics and those are some of the important ones

Because many fans live vicariously through their faves and believe their faves achievements are their own

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if your favs don't have them just say that, success are measured by metrics and those are some of the important ones

I would have no clue, I don't check out my faves numbers. I just see the threads bragging about numbers all the time as if it's an achievement to sit in a room and press replay over and over and over and over and over and over.

are you going to ask why the visuals are always some of the most popular members too? What's next? Albums wouldn't sell that much without photo cards and photo books?

It's kpop. Even people who stan american celebrities are crazy about sales and charting, it's nothing new.

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are you going to ask why the visuals are always some of the most popular members too? What's next? Albums wouldn't sell that much without photo cards and photo books?

It's kpop. Even people who stan american celebrities are crazy about sales and charting, it's nothing new.

Visuals aren't the most popular members. Photocard and photobooks are boring.

The only time I ever hear about charting and sales is in kpop.