I actually think Hybe would be in first place, since the company is home to BTS and Seventeen, the two best-selling boy groups I believe, not to mention TXT and Enhypen, who both have sold well over a million per album. And for girl groups, they have Le Sserafim and NewJeans, who are also big sellers.
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How did you come up with this list of options? It seems rather random.
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This is definitely a lower-budget music video than I'd expect from Apink. The song's not bad, though.
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Oh I definitely noticed you. Unfortunately, you were one of the very few that bothered to mention the First Generation.
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Don't forget about Yel.
there isn't any other option!
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Once again, we see the erasure of the First Generation.
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Boobs
bartkun, as AKP's expert on these matters, is this true?
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Both constantly chill and constantly energetic would be fatiguing, so a blend is needed.
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Here's Apink's first-ever music show performance, from April 21 2011:
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when I said forth gen I meant from roughly the 4th generation (time period) onwards the GG during that time period started to gain more traction
Now I'm wondering though, when do you think that the Fourth Generation started? There's considerable disagreement on this topic, with years ranging from 2018 to 2022.
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that means in the 4th generation since your figures only show up to end of 2024 that GG are increasing their relative weighting compared to BG?
Absolutely, though I do have to point out a couple things:
(1) The GG/BG ratio only began to increase in 2022, even though the Fourth Generation started in 2018.
(2) For each month where the GG/BG ratio exceeded 100%, I looked at which girl group albums were mainly driving sales, and they are:
October 2011: SNSD – The Boys
December 2011: SNSD – The Boys
August 2022: IVE – After Like, Twice – Between 1&2
September 2022: Blackpink – Born Pink
March 2023: Twice – Ready to Be, Nmixx – Expérgo
May 2023: Aespa – My World, Le Sserafim – Unforgiven, (G)I-dle – I Feel
January 2024: (G)I-dle – 2, Nmixx – Fe3O4: Break, Itzy – Born to Be
February 2024: Twice – With You-th, Le Sserafim – Easy
Thus, it's not just Fourth Generation girl groups contributing significantly to sales.
This makes me think that it's not simply a matter of generation, and that there must be other factors at play.
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So the other members have to copy whatever dance moves Isa decides to do?
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surpassing “Abracadabra”
I was hoping that it'd be Brown Eyed Girls song.
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The One and Only TANNED JIHYO is back!!
When and where did she get tanned? We're not even close to summer yet!
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but to own a physical album is different. can't really hide that.
Sure you can; just do what I do and store them away in a closet, out of sight.
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It's of no coincidence the great strides in GG album sales (comparatively) came as they courted female fans more directly then ever before.
This makes me wonder: what are the ways in which girl groups have more directly courted female fans over the past few years? I haven't really noticed any obvious changes in the way they engage with fans, but I haven't really been paying much attention, either.
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I agree, but a thorough analysis of sales by company would be a very significant undertaking, even more so than what I've done so far. Gaon/Circle doesn't provide the company associated with each sales figure, so I'd have to assign a company manually for each entry. Looking up the company for each artist would be a much more difficult task than simply determining the artist type, since it's less obvious, and can change over time.
An alternative, less rigorous approach would be to limit the scope of analysis to only the "Big 4". In this scenario, I would look up which artists fall under each of the four companies and make my assignments that way.
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As interesting as the chart above is, what might be even more instructive would be to visualise the ratio of girl group to boy group album sales. Thus, for each month over 14 years, I simply divided girl group sales by boy group sales and plotted the resulting numbers, along with a moving average, as we see below. Therefore, a value greater than 100% would indicate that girl groups sold more than boy groups for a given month:
RatioGirlGroupBoyGroupSales2011-2024.png
What we see is that girl groups were able to sell more than boy groups in only eight out of 168 months: October 2011, December 2011, August 2022, September 2022, March 2023, May 2023, January 2024, and February 2024. Notice the huge gap between December 2011 and August 2022, which spans almost 11 years and brings up some obvious questions:
- Throughout the entirety of the Third Generation, girl groups never once came even close to out-selling boy groups, even at the peak of Twice and Blackpink's popularity. Why?
- Conversely, why was it possible during the Second Generation, and currently in the Fourth Generation?
- It has been established that the COVID-19 crisis boosted sales, but what we see here is that it seemed to benefit boy groups more than girl groups, at least for the first year-and-a-half of the pandemic shutdowns, until mid-2022. Why?
- What changed in the middle of 2022 that suddenly resulted in girl groups selling noticeably better?
- Coincidentally, mid-2022 is also when BTS went on hiatus, but does that have anything to do with it?
- What are your predictions for the future? Will girl groups continue to challenge boy groups in physical sales going forward into the Fifth Generation, or will things revert to how they were back during the Third Generation?
- We already see that overall sales have declined from their 2023 peak. Will this hurt boy groups or girl groups more?
- Throughout the entirety of the Third Generation, girl groups never once came even close to out-selling boy groups, even at the peak of Twice and Blackpink's popularity. Why?
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As you might know from my other thread, I've been gathering Gaon/Circle Chart top 100 monthly album sales numbers and have collected data from the past 14 years, 2011 to 2024. My initial goal was to simply show the trends in physical sales over time, and as we've seen, there was a huge increase in sales during the pandemic.
However, I soon began to ponder another question: how do album sales of boy groups and girl groups compare over the same time period? Answering this question requires that every sales figure be categorised into a particular artist type, which is no trivial feat, since this information is not provided by Gaon/Circle. Thus, I actually had to manually assign an artist type to each of my 16800 (14 years × 12 months/year × 100 sales/month) data points.
This was a painful task, and I worked on it for several months, but I eventually grouped every sale into one of the following seven categories: boy group, girl group, coed group, female soloist, male soloist, foreign artist (e.g. Queen, Adele, etc.), or "other" (e.g. soundtracks, orchestral music, etc.). With this endeavour accomplished, I was able to generate a chart comparing boy group versus girl group sales over the past 14 years:
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It's plainly evident that boy groups dominate, outselling girl groups by considerable margins in nearly every month over the past 14 years. Some questions and observations do arise:
- What is the reason behind boy groups' long-held domination in physical sales? The traditional explanation is that boy groups generally have female fans, who are intrinsically more "loyal" and "dedicated", and thus more likely to buy albums. Is that all there is to it?
- Boy group sales seem to have shifted to a higher level starting in 2017. Was this because this is when BTS truly began getting popular, thus helping not only their own sales, but also the sales of other boy groups?
- In the long-term, what, if anything, can girl groups do to attempt to achieve parity with boy groups when it comes to album sales?
