Is bts privilege bigger than big 3 privilege?

Anytime such discussions are opened, people start claiming that txt and enhypen's success is entirely due to armys and that pisses me off. Those groups DO have privilege, those groups DO have a much bigger exposure, those groups DO have more opportunities for growth but so do every other big 3 group.

Saying enhypen's success is due to armys only is hilarious. You guys blame their high spotify metrics on armys - enhypen already has two viral hits among the kpop community. Those two viral hits increased their monthly listeners and streams. That's what happens when a group gets a hit, in case your faves never got it and you're not familiar with it.

High album sales since the start are owed to the fact they come from a survival show. Aren't survival show groups famous for their high physicals? Those groups get to build a very strong and dedicated fandom which gets attached to them during the show and then they become loyal fans that spend lots of money on albums. You don't have to be a mathematician or genius to connect couple of simple dots

Enhypen dont do ads! Spotify filtering are more believable than YT views that can be bought. If u look at the likes , they have more than most or believable likes compared to their followers. People are just bitter because they cant achieve the spotify streams ( the most reliable measurement of global appeal) of EN and rely on YT views that can be bought for relevance. 😂

And then look at their album sales ( casual stans wont buy albums) , twitter & instagram engagement & likes, trends in tiktok, viral songs ( not just once but twice!) all point out to their global appeal.Album charting in 8/10 top music industry , endorsements , voting power etc are all going up. So yeah , u can get mad about it, but those boys are getting more & more relevant each day you all drag them down.

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in Korea no but internationally yes. it is not a coincidence that txt and enhypen started doing better than all other kpop groups do on spotify upon debut, it's obvious they get help from armys no matter how much the fans deny it.

you can also see this when you look at these groups' youtube views, txt and enhypen are the only groups in the top 10 most streamed kpop groups in spotify whose youtube views don't match up to their streams. by kpop's standards, it is an anomaly for title tracks to have significantly less views than streams, it is a sign that those streams aren't entirely the work of fans.

Yes it is but hybe stans will disagree.

Yep- they cant relate much. It doesnt take a genius to know that but they solely based everything in YT views as if it’s the most important metrics. A platform where views can be bought and change the algorithm of ur reco list? These fans’ fave probably have low spotify streams w/c is btw the most relevant metrics of global appeal , and they just probably rely on ads for high YT views then boast about it.

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Anytime such discussions are opened, people start claiming that txt and enhypen's success is entirely due to armys and that pisses me off. Those groups DO have privilege, those groups DO have a much bigger exposure, those groups DO have more opportunities for growth but so do every other big 3 group.

Saying enhypen's success is due to armys only is hilarious. You guys blame their high spotify metrics on armys - enhypen already has two viral hits among the kpop community. Those two viral hits increased their monthly listeners and streams. That's what happens when a group gets a hit, in case your faves never got it and you're not familiar with it.

High album sales since the start are owed to the fact they come from a survival show. Aren't survival show groups famous for their high physicals? Those groups get to build a very strong and dedicated fandom which gets attached to them during the show and then they become loyal fans that spend lots of money on albums. You don't have to be a mathematician or genius to connect couple of simple dots

Boring, OP must have hate Hybe much 😂 or BTS but cant bash them directly so why not drag the younger groups. Regardless, Enhypen & Txt will always be more relevant . Together they will lead the 4th Gen groups and u can all hate it but it’s true!

that should be obvious.

I remember how much txt sold without people knowing what they would sound like or anything about the members aside from their faces

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Getting associated with BTS is a double-edge sword — it gives u instant exposure, people maybe interested to check u out but people may hate you, bash u non-stop and look for every little mistakes to bring u down. Stanning them completely is all up to ur preferences. For me album sales are the biggest factor in determining the size of their own fandom— no casual fan will buy or spend money for groups they dont sincerely like. If u add voting power, social engagements , then spotify streams/monthly listeners —- u know they already made a niche in the industry.

the part of army being supportive is 10x bigger than the ones that are against txt & even if it wasn't, a very small part of army is still bigger than any other predebut support any big3 debut has gotten.

also, it's funny to me when people say that "armys only helped in the beginning, then they grew their own fans". while i agree they got their own fans, it's still partly thanks to armys. the amount of bts fans i've seen that started with JUST supporting the little brothers (adding their MV's or songs as fillers while streaming bts), but have slowly started to ult them instead of/next to bts (buying txt albums), is really big.

you can even see it with some army on this site...

again, it might be only 0,01% of the hybe stans, that's still bigger than any other 4th gen group privilege (while many armys are reluctant to check out & maybe start stanning any other 4th gen group bc of "hybe superiority")

The thing is I seldom see any Hybe stans acting superior. They are proud of the groups achievements like everyone else. But if there is a company stan that is feeling superior above everyone , it’s SM stan or any GG stan as if digitals in SK are the only thing that matters or boasting of their superiority in talent & skills. And as if other Big 3 companies never had any privileges at all. Thing is until now those big 3 company stans esp SM stans are still insecure that BTS alone beats all their artists . A group that they tried so hard to drag down in the past are the reason why Hybe beats all big 3’s income combined.Then if u add, Txt , Enhypen & SVT , how can u possibly beat Hybe? They cant drag SVT and BTS is untouchable so why not go after the two younger “ brothers” and & call them the most privileged groups as if it will change the outcome or as if others never had any privileges. But truth is if any groups are more appealing, they can eventually surpass the two boy groups just like what BTS did in the past. But they currently on top along with SKZ. U can all cry hard for that but they are going to remain on top.

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the part of army being supportive is 10x bigger than the ones that are against txt & even if it wasn't, a very small part of army is still bigger than any other predebut support any big3 debut has gotten.

also, it's funny to me when people say that "armys only helped in the beginning, then they grew their own fans". while i agree they got their own fans, it's still partly thanks to armys. the amount of bts fans i've seen that started with JUST supporting the little brothers (adding their MV's or songs as fillers while streaming bts), but have slowly started to ult them instead of/next to bts (buying txt albums), is really big.

you can even see it with some army on this site...

again, it might be only 0,01% of the hybe stans, that's still bigger than any other 4th gen group privilege (while many armys are reluctant to check out & maybe start stanning any other 4th gen group bc of "hybe superiority")

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I remember how much txt sold without people knowing what they would sound like or anything about the members aside from their faces

As if these never happened to other groups in SM boygroups like having big number of pre-orders . You call that appeal or charisma if they were able to sell something the fans never heard before. I buy anything my fave group sells - from albums, cocerts tix and merchs. It’s very common in boygroups esp if u were formed via survival show - the bigger the appeal , the bigger the fanbase , the higher the physical sales. Digitals in SK relied solely on GP— liking the song based on their taste but they dont care about the artists.

Wow! 'The BTS privilege'.

It does exist. Some Armys do check out their labelmates' songs and stan them but most don't. Just a few% of those Army fans can give a whole traction to a nugu group. That's how big ARMY WW is.

Even if most ARMYs don't check out their other labelmate artists, that small percentage is enough to gain significant traction (probably more than other big 3 label stans). So yes, BTS privilege does exist. Though the BTS privilege might have less effect from now on bc HYBE is debuting way too many groups. Then it would be hard for the fandom to give attention to every group.

we have this thread once every week istg are y'all not tired?

tell me something i don't already know or just say you're jealous and go