Posts by Djibson

Quote from Noemi

Uh...but these aren't standard PR techniques. Not saying that HYBE is doing this but it's a very reasonable assumption. Companies drawing the public's attention from a problematic issue happens.

I doubt it. People are disregarding that that Eunseo's side filed a criminal complaint, which usually has a higher burden of proof than civil complaint and doesn't result in any financial payout for the plaintiff. Also, nothing that law firm has mentioned in their statement has been disapproved by HYBE. You can choose to trust their words more than the law firm but you can't say their words prove the law firm isn't telling the truth and vice versa. Also, HYBE didn't mention suing Eunseo. Not once afaik. Their statement in response to April rumors mentioned litigation but Eunseo was not the perpetrator in that.

We also don't know who reached out to negotiate. Law firm rep just said that they are talking, not who approached who and finally, the law firm has maintained from the start that they never wanted to go public. They only did so because HYBE chose to ignore them. So, it's highly likely if HYBE reached out, they would be open to negotiation.

But Hybe denied that there was no violence. The only thing that hybe has acknowledged is that Garam said words she shouldn't say. Then the law firm hasn't given their version of the facts yet they just accused hybe and said that Eunseo was receiving harassment online after hybe statement but never said what happened at school. Then they said they would release their evidence if hybe didn't apologize. Which is weird considering they didn't divulge or deny anything since the hybe statement.

Quote from Serala

Est-ce que quelqu'un a la vraie vidéo (complète) et pas une seule, où elle a peut-être été éditée

malicieusement ? Comme j'espère qu'il vient d'être modifié pour sembler beaucoup plus gênant qu'il ne l'était déjà. En fonction de l'ensemble de la vidéo, le moment pourrait être extrait de son contexte, car peut-être que toute la vidéo était maladroite, etc.

Je veux le voir moi-même et pas seulement la partie virale d'il y a quelques jours ou celle-ci (où j'ai en fait vu la réaction des membres pour la première fois être incluse et pas seulement Garam et Sakura)

https://mobile.twitter.com/bli…tatus/1529036950560194560

Quote from Serala

Wasn't it said that the "scolding" was 3 hours long? It is hard to believe that Eunseo stayed 3 hours in the same place letting herself be scolded. They must at least have not let her go anywhere and three hours long scolding is very rarely not going physical.

Like what do you want to say for 3 hours? Does the talker(s) not get enraged in 3 hours so much that they at least push the one being scolded several times? And from the 5 (or 6?) people "scolding" Eunseo Garam and probably only two friends got a punishment. If it was just verbal, the others would have probably joined all in, so why did not everyone get punished for it? Unless 3 of them got physical (or at least very threatening verbally) and the rest was only (lightly) verbal, it doesn't make sense why not all were punished (unless the rest didn't say anything for 3 hours)?

Correct me if I am wrong about the 3 hours but I think I read it here. This case is just weird

Here's what's in Hybe's statement in a nutshell:

The two had an argument for three hours once. Then when Eunseo took a photo of Garam's friend and posted it Garam went to talk to Eunseo because of what she allegedly did then Eunseo apologized. Except that after that Eunseo reported Garam to the committee on violence. And even before a decision was taken, Eunseo changed schools once and then a second time by coming to a school close to that of Garam. Then there he started to tell rumors about Garam which would have led to harassment against Garam in a discussion group where there were even members of the new school of Eunseo. And also, Eunseo would have said things about garam to these male friends who would have intercepted garam but we don't know if it was just verbal or not. The only thing Hybe admitted was that Garam said words she shouldn't have said and apologized for that.

And so far the law firm has not denied.

Quote from Serala

Wasn't it said that the "scolding" was 3 hours long? It is hard to believe that Eunseo stayed 3 hours in the same place letting herself be scolded. They must at least have not let her go anywhere and three hours long scolding is very rarely not going physical.

Like what do you want to say for 3 hours? Does the talker(s) not get enraged in 3 hours so much that they at least push the one being scolded several times? And from the 5 (or 6?) people "scolding" Eunseo Garam and probably only two friends got a punishment. If it was just verbal, the others would have probably joined all in, so why did not everyone get punished for it? Unless 3 of them got physical (or at least very threatening verbally) and the rest was only (lightly) verbal, it doesn't make sense why not all were punished (unless the rest didn't say anything for 3 hours)?

Correct me if I am wrong about the 3 hours but I think I read it here. This case is just weird

No, it's the argument between the two that lasted 3 hours, not the reprimand.

Quote from Dreamer95

Bro what are these takes??? Habe twitter users discovered this place? What do you mean by "I think Garam is not a bully but Hybe better kick her out cuz she's a damaged good". I am speechless.

I asked myself the same question when I came here today.

Quote from MissBehave

I'm not saying she should be explicitly punished more. I'm saying there are consequences in life. There are ramifications to pretty much everything you do over and beyond the immediate effects. Heck, having poor grades or getting suspended for cheating on test as a 13 year old freshman can nuke your chances of getting into an ivy college which impacts your life. Having an affair can break up your marriage AND prevent other possible love interests from giving you the time of day cuz of your history. If you served time for a crime, completing your punishment won't expunge it from your record and your job prospects will be dismal possibly forever. Many choices we make close some doors and open others.

I personally am not interested in being a fan of a 16 year old who apparently was enough of a bully in recent years to warrant a serious punishment especially since there's no indication of whether she has changed or is remorseful. Going by gossip, this may have been the most serious incident, but it wasn't an isolated one. If other members of the public don't want to support her either, that's their choice. If Hybe decides there's enough people who don't want to support her and decides that she's not an asset, that's just a consequence. If most of the public doesn't care, then it won't affect her. Or Hybe might just decide to risk it. I will still care though just like I still care that I found out another idol said some pretty racist things as a young teen. I liked him a lot before and actually did try to get past it, but still have a visceral reaction when I see him. He's doing fine, dw, but I just can't support him. I will always wonder if he still holds those attitudes underneath his public face.

Anyway, my bet is that there will be an agreement, hybe will keep her, and the public will forget coz the public is fickle. She needs to be careful though and either be greatly talented or obviously changed, otherwise she will always be in danger of losing the public's favor if she makes one misstep.

But if what she did is what Hybe described in her statement. I don't see where the harassment is. Because I feel like a lot of people confuse bullying with scolding someone for doing something they shouldn't or having an argument with someone. 'Cause I mean if that's bullying then most of us are bullies. Unless this version is denied by the law firm I think it is true since not denying it would harm their client. And if what happened in the chat group and with Eunseo's male friends and with the photo is true then in this case the real bully is Eunseo. That's why I find it hard to understand the silence of the law firm because if it was wrong they would deny the hybe charges and ask for an apology like they already have. But if there's such silence, there's some truth in hybe's statement. That's why I was not surprised to hear that the two sides were in negotiations and don't be surprised at a statement from daehyun saying that it was all a misunderstanding and you may even expect a statement from school if hybe has proof of what they say because if it's true because it could damage their reputation.

Quote from Dreamer95

But people won't believe, they'll think that Hybe just paid it off. The law firm would need to change their story and to make it more two side. And back it up somehow. Otherwise both will be accused of being corrupt.

Unfortunately yes. Anyway according to hybe's first statement they threatened to go all the way. But I don't know if they will sue Eunseo or not because at first they threatened to sue only the people spreading the rumors on the internet.

Quote from Worldwideknow

Ok but it's still very unlikely I would say impossible that the lawyer will do that if this put the victim in danger

But if the statements are true it would be more dangerous for his client to go to trial I believe. because there everything will be exposed and it will appear on her criminal record if she is guilty, not to mention the online harassment she will receive.

Quote from Worldwideknow

I hyghly doubt the lawyer will do that garam isn't even his client and this will just bring more hate on the victim side there's no interest in doing that

It's either that or go to trial.

I don't see any other solution.

Quote from laleria

too many IFs.

Yes, because we don't yet know the cabinet's version of how events unfolded. The only version we know is that of hybe and we don't know if it's true or not.

Quote from laleria

seen by whom? i doubt, that public opinion can be changed that easily.

And I still don't see how and why Law firm would clear Garam name, she's not their client...yet.

In fact if hybe's statement is true, it's the only way the firm can protect Eunseo. Otherwise if it goes to trial and she is found guilty of what she is accused of it will really jeopardize her future and online harassment will increase against her.

Quote from Worldwideknow

There's no way Kznet will believe this, they will thought Hybe paid the lawy firm or something like that

In this case it is necessary to go until lawsuit if they have proofs.

Quote from laleria

and what will they do with the school document?

If the law firm clears Garam then the document won't matter. It will just be seen as a mistake on the part of the school.

Quote from Dreamer95

The only options to clear Garam's name, at least partially, are: 1) Win the court 2) Law firm backs off and basically changes their statement, saying Garam isn't a bully. Does Hybe have something that's motivate Daeryun to do that?

If hybe's statement is true and it is indeed Eunseo who spread false rumors in new school leading to garam being harassed in school and on chat group. In this case it will be Eunseo the bully and to protect Eunseo the law firm will be forced to make a statement saying that Garam was not a bully. Otherwise if they go to trial and hybe has evidence Eunseo's future could be tainted by this story and online harassment against her will increase. If what hybe says is really true, I think the law firm will have no choice but to clear garam.

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Come of to think, since the document is real isn't it illegal to release it? Since it allegedly come from a third party ?

I think if they have permission from the school and the people mentioned there they can release it.

And then I don't know about you, but harassment is something that happens over time, isn't it? Because re-reading hybe and Daeryun's statements, I feel like Garam only went to talk to Eunseo once after she took the picture + another time the two had an argument 3 hours (can these two events be considered harassment?). I mean it happens to all of us to have an argument or to complain in front of a person because he does something he shouldn't do but that doesn't mean that we are a bully. In Daeryun's statement they said Garam harassed but did not specify exactly what Garam did. The only harassments they explained are those coming from anonymous third parties on the internet.

Quote from TwiceKaren

I wonder if people will start siding with Garam if Daeryun doesn't release anything like the claimed they would

The only thing that could change people's opinion for me is if Hybe and Daeryun make a joint statement to agree on one version and all the miners each apologize for their actions. And that they claim that it was just a misunderstanding and a quarrel between students at school.

Quote from TwiceKaren

I wonder if people will start siding with Garam if Daeryun doesn't release anything like the claimed they would

Many people on twitter have only one opinion and don't even try to find out the root of the problem. And unfortunately some take advantage of this situation just to hate wherever the truth lies.

Quote from laleria

don't know about other countries, but in my country there is a punishment (prison) for driving someone to suicide.

It's not easy to prove, ofc. For online community like akp it would be impossible, but for real life and school - it's real cases.

I fail to see how Hybe/or Garam can have control over third parties who have decided to harass Eunseo? Hybe's first statement never mentioned Eunseo but rather some stupid people who attacked Eunseo without even knowing if she was the one who started these rumors. Hybe's statement threaten the people who spread these rumors they never mentioned Eunseo in their first statement.

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https://dailynaver.blogspot.co…aram-bullied-another.html

https://dailynaver.blogspot.co…f-leak-group-katalks.html

But anyway Hybe have already acknowledged that Garam made inappropriate comments that she shouldn't have said and apologized for that at the end of their document. So I don't know what's new.