I'm a 2nd Gen Supremacist. I'd love to speak about them more. Most seem to want to talk about 4th gen and the big groups of third gen, which is fair since they are most relevant.
I looked at the streaming numbers thread yesterday, and I think there may be like 5 second gen songs doing any movement on Spotify over the past few years, so they aren't moving charts (getting mass streamed), so they're not oftne brought up.
I see. It would be interesting to see a broader list for sure. Thanks for the info.
Display MoreThat's why so many other next generation songs have accumulated these numbers in record time.
Oh wait. Only Hype Boy is the outlier, even relative to songs from its own era.
Stop using "it was different back then!!!" as a crutch to defend songs that have been surpassed.
Hype Boy spent 51 weeks in the MelOn top 10. That is an all time record and no other song (that isn't a NewJeans song) comes close.
Is there anyway to see like the top 50 or so songs at the moment as of this moment? 
Would've preferred "Ditto" to receive the honor, but "Hype Boy" is okay too. Congrats to the group's success!
I'm going to lurk the fandoms for a bit 
Can anyone give a quick explanation for the apparent divide between the Korean public and the western fans' views on this case?
Part of the job. Have to pay the bills somehow. If some fans can't tell the difference, then they will soon 
What’s a NGG?
Nation's Girl Group
Title the South Korean media has given to some girl groups.
Lmao that "without FESTIVALS" part is so shady
Who is being shaded?
I don't think "later gens always beat new older gens" is a good argument. The reason why later gens have been doing better is because of the increased marketspace for K-pop around the world: gen 1 was primarily in South Korea, gen 2 expanded into Japan, China, and SEA, and gen 3 had a global boom into the rest of the world. However, if K-pop is decreasing in popularity in the space where gen 3 groups operated, then it stands to reason that gen 4 may not do as well.
Gen 3 isn't special: they just happened to pop in at the right time. I guess what "international heights" means is open to interpretation though. SEA/Japan/China are still "international," and there's no reason why a gen 4 group couldn't end up more popular in Japan or China than any gen 2 or gen 3 group. But my interpretation of international was "the west" since that's where Blackpink, Twice, and other gen 3 groups notably came in.
Maybe OP can clarify?
Girls' Generation 
And Twice 
I'm a Lisa fan, but I would be almost relieved if the song flopped. It was really bad.
But what sources is this person using for their information? I don't see anything cited? How reliable is the info that they're basing their conclusions on? I guess it's common knowledge where those numbers come from among stream analyzers?
Like I said in the BTS/Palestine thread, the fact that she's comfortable with this may reveal where the group's and company's priorities lie. They are obviously trained in how to present themselves to fans and how to manage any social media content that they put out. I would find it similar to SNSD Tiffany's rising sun scandal from when she was on JYP's show. She apologized quickly and was removed from that show due to the insensitivity of the post, and this is after being in Korea for around a decade. That they have catered to the west and still do this hints that they may prioritize the west less than some may believe, believe that the backlash against this behavior is negligible or not notable enough to even care bringing up, or some combination of the two, especially if there is no apology issued for doing this.
Is this graph so useful? Military spending in 2024 dollars has gone up each year, but what about other areas of US budgetary spending? Last I checked, as a percentage of GDP, military spending has gone down and defense spending today is 50% less than what is was about 15 years ago.
I agree that one of the reasons that the US has allied itself with Israel and Saudi Arabia is for strategic positioning in the Middle East and to counter Iranian influence. However, I would question the idea that the US started the war on terror to have a war with Arab countries. One of the reasons being that the US spent the most time in Afghanistan, which is not Arabic last I checked? Could you explain your reasoning a bit for this point? I tried to search in the PDF, but Arab and Afghanistan turned up about four results in your link.
It's definitely tough work going on tour and hopefully there won't be any lasting or anymore injuries. All she needs to remember is that once she gets to the seventh year and renegotiates her contract, then she'll be set at the age of 27. She'll have money, her rights, be able to date, and have work for years without needing to break herself with the ability to explore so many fields of work. She's already more than halfway there.
