I'm personally heavily biased myself and will always roll with the 3rd generation.
I generally liked their music a lot more, and to this day, there is no group like MAMAMOO in K-Pop for me. Nobody quite hits on every note the way they literally and figuratively do.
But I am falling very hard for NewJeans and LE SSERAFIM. Music-wise, NJ has not missed. Personality wise, LSF's group dynamic reminds me of the chaos that is Mamamoo having fun amongst themselves.
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Too many people sleeping on LE SSERAFIM. Maybe because there's resistance to acknowledging that only another HYBE girl group will be serious competition to NewJeans long-term?
They could end up being the biggest rivals to NJ. They already have started to take the title of best performers of their generation and sold a bunch of albums. ANTIFRAGILE is a hit too.
Twice still had the best-selling girl group album of those respective years alongside doing extremely well on digital charts in addition to being the highest GG on Gallup both years so yes they were still number one. But that's besides my point.
And obviously not but there's a massive difference between getting into Itzy, Stayc, Aespa, IVE, NewJeans, all while ignoring and bashing the each group in the event of an underperformance, in the span of one or two years and simply saying a group's success is impressive.
Twice sold more albums than anyone in those years. They did not dominate digitally relative to other top girl groups after 2016 (which was still hotly debated even then). That's all I'm saying.
Moving on, I promise you that success stanning happened all the time in third generation too. Take the words of a very passionate Mamamoo fan since their debut year to heart.
But basically I don't think success stanning is a generation thing. It's an opportunity thing. There wasn't a ton of room for it in 3rd gen, because our favorite groups had to build up to the dominance they became known for. Hell, I remember Twice getting roasted on OH initially, because LOA was a grower instead of an instant smash hit.
With groups debuting with monster numbers, it's much easier for success stans to latch on to groups than before.
It has nothing to do with success. Itzy were hyped and liked then Aespa came out and people started dragging Itzy then the same thing happened with aespa, Stan’s are acting they’re over and now for some reason IVE is getting hated and the same ones drag IVE to praise NJ and LSR
You just have to look at there lol.
Blinks and onces fight all the time but they don’t flip flop every time a new group pop up.
That's a function of how the industry has changed moreso than the fans.
Itzy, Aespa, IVE and NewJeans all have one thing in common. All four had massive debuts.
If the top girl groups of the 3rd generation all debuted like that, the exact same things we see now would've happened then. Success stans hopping to the shiny new toy isn't a new phenomenon.
Twice, Red Velvet, Mamamoo and GFriend didn't debut smashing records and topping the charts. Pretty much only BlackPink did that, and Day 1 you had fans calling them the biggest thing in K-Pop and the future....kind of how fans today do with the big debuts of today's top girl groups.
are you that mamamoo stan? now it all makes sense
Which one? There are more of us than you think.
If you mean the one who was extremely vocal, posted a bunch of praise threads on OH, started a youtube account to create content for them, and always defended Mamamoo in girl group tier discussions, then yes, that's me.
The topic is about success stans, not actual stans
Okay then go find one, I'll be waiting. But as someone who actually lived through the 3rd gen, success stanning en masse (at least to the extent 4th gen stans are doing it now) was never a thing. You had Twice dominating everything 2016-2018 and then Blackpink dominating everything 2020-present so it was never an issue.
Now there's a new GG doing well on charts & breaking records every other month which prompts more success stans, more people jumping from group to group. It's not that hard to understand really.
I started listening to K-Pop in 2012, so I was present for every last second of the 3rd generation that didn't really start until 2 years later.
You do realize that BlackPink, Twice, Mamamoo, GFriend and IOI all got Perfect All-Kills in the same year, right? 2016 to be exact. So uh, yeah, a different girl group did well on the charts every other month.
Oh, and Twice/BlackPink did not dominate everything. People need to stop revising history and throwing around blanket statements like that. Twice didn't have the biggest hit song in 2017 or 2018. That was Red Velvet and BlackPink respectively.
In hindsight, it's very easy to say Twice and BlackPink indisputably reigned supreme in their respective peak years, but if you actually lived through it like you say, you'd remember the weekly, if not daily, vitriolic exchanges that happened between the fandoms, each claiming superiority over the other. And yeah, people were being called success stans then too.
There is literally nothing hard to understand about your point, so stop treating this as a comprehension issue when it isn't. All I asked for is literally any evidence of 4th gen fans stanning success anymore than 3rd gen did.
And I'm still waiting for it.
Or is it just that anyone who praises a new girl group and calls them the next biggest thing in K-Pop is going to immediately be branded a success stan?
The disrespect against Twice and the glamorization of New Jeans is out of control in this thread.
Replace "Twice" with "SNSD" and "NewJeans" with "Twice", and this reads exactly like a post from 2016.
Nothing lasts forever. And the very premise of the thread invited a NewJeans/Twice comparison, framing NewJeans as a group with a short expiration date, so your issue should be with the OP, not people coming to defend NewJeans.
What is the objective measurement of this? Or it Just anecdotal experiences and a general vibe?
Because I keep seeing this being repeated, but see no evidence that there are any more success stans now than there were in the previous generation.
Aespa sold plenty of albums. Itzy sold plenty of albums. LE SSERAFIM sold plenty of albums. IVE just won a bunch of daesangs and sold out a concert in a minute.
Seems like their fans stuck around to me.
I'm 110% positive I could go find an archived Twice/RV/BP/MMM/GF discussion and find the exact same things being said then.
People need to stop assuming the same group of people praising Group A are the same group of people now praising Group B. If you feel otherwise...is there any proof?
If that was the case RV would be that nation gg bc eveybody praise their music, in many cases is not about that.
Red Velvet debuted in 2014 and remain very relevant.
Bad example.
The goalposts have now shifted all the way to "Well...they won't be at the top forever!"
It's 2023. Not 2016. NewJeans isn't being run by a bunch of trend-following, profit-chasing businessmen. They are being led by one of the most respected creatives in the business of managing girl groups, and her team has clearly planned out everything meticulously and executed it flawlessly.
I think they have it figured out.
And it's not like their current songs are something you'd expect to see flagged for YouTube kids either. Their songs are already appealing to everyone in multiple age demographics across the entire globe.
This is a huge reason why the Twice comparison doesn't work. When Twice blew up, they initially blew up in Korea.
But remember what I said earlier? It's 2023 not 2016. NewJeans is blowing up across the entire world, in all of the biggest music markets. They're about to debut in the Hot 100.
They will be fine. I know that's bad news for some of you.
They don't remind me of any of those groups honestly.
I was almost more surprised they're the first group to chart like that in Japan since 2016. I guess this means the baton is being passed, and we finally have a new girl group Japan can embrace.
From Kara to Twice to NewJeans.
What's funny is that NewJeans haven't really done anything in Japan outside of KCON which, from personal experience attending KCON, I can tell you is not quite the same as actively promoting there.
They just did LOL
In fact, they were stuck here in the US because of the weird issue with flights being delayed or canceled outright.
They did a couple interviews on Kiss.FM radio and I think handled them very well (helps to have 3/5 members who speak English)
wonder if OMG can also enter the Hot 100. It’s doing well on Spotify US. People here would be so mad lol
It's sad some people try so hard to undermine their accomplishments. I bet they're the same people who showed so much fake concern over Hyein's age or the lyrics to Cookie (not that this wasn't a legit issue)
Ya'll really let the thread get derailed that easily 
Let's course correct.
I'm expecting NewJeans to break through and enter the Hot 100, and then their global takeover can truly begin.
This topic is as good as any to really put in perspective the scale of their global dominance.
They've got China
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They've got the UK
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And we all know they've got Korea
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Did NewJeans follow up the most successful debut ever with the most successful first comeback ever?
Regardless of the answer, the NewJeans era is here.
its 9 right now
does ty even promote in music shows or things like that?
I would be very, very surprised if he actively promotes this song on music shows. Pleasantly surprised but still surprised.
How is vibe doing on melon?
Peak so far has been 5. We'll see where it ends up today, after Korea has had a full 24 hours to listen to the song.
It seems to be doing amazing on all the global charts I've seen as well.
People are reacting to the "biggest debut" part, not just the blowing up part. I don't think anyone participating in this thread is under the incorrect assumption NJ is the first group to explode in popularity.
It's the speed and scale of their growth that is blowing people away, because that is something we've never seen before on the charts at what is now a global scale.
Should've known any question about IU's charting accomplishments might as well have just been rhetorical.
I'd be willing to bet she has the record for most digital records of any artist in Korea.
Still a rookie girl group performing like BTS/IU/Big Bang on the charts right out of the gates is just stupid good.
NewJeans basically debuted in their Cheer Up/DDD era. Of course, the huge downside of this is that they will always be expected to perform like this with every release or the accusations of "flop" and "clear decline" will fly immediately.
People are already saying that about IVE, and they have nothing but huge hits to their name. Oh, K-Pop.
