Posts by NopeNopeNopeNope
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Wrote blop because as usual Jimin's voice sounds like a cat dying due to his technique.
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I still wish they release an album this year. Because fans deserve more music
I wish they would release something in the first few months of the year. They always choose late in the year during more competitive times. Never reflects well on year-end charts despite their longevity.
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Thanks. I am up for getting correct. But were that first six months of their career. I also asked that. Anyways that is selective company
You had just said you don't know if any group had occupied that many places on Gaon/Circle before, then talked about the first sixth months after, so I didn't think you wanted both factors. Considering no group has really used New Jeans release strategy, can't really compare the first 6 months in that way. There was no Gaon when 2NE1 debuted, but their mini likely would have had all or most of the songs chart in the top 10 since all their albums performed that way.
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Do downloads count as digital for this thread?
External Content twitter.comContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.Yeah guess it counts.
Timing based chart though. A fair amount of those songs ended up not being the best selling from that year. -
I'd kick out about 6 out of 9 members of Twice for lack of talent.
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Lmao @ the losers in here already making digs at blackpink as per usual.
They are mad BP is the richest girl group by a mile without releasing things every other day.
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I don't know if any group had four top ten at same time in one week.
This week on circle digital chart.
Ditto number one
Omg number three
Hypeboy number four
Ditto already increasing digital points in third week.
Three top five hits
Four top ten in week is crazy. I think it is one of best weeks across any generation let alone fourth gen in digital chart
Correct me. I find it crazy
Also five songs being hits in first six months of Career must be very huge.
Hypeboy peak number 2 and attention number one. Certified national hits. Even movie actors who barely react to idols were dancing on it. Hypeboy never reached number one and still moves over 20 million digital index. It is their biggest song now
Cookie not national hit but top ten and medium size hit anyways
Ditto. Already set new pak record and you can discredit it using various excuses, in end it has still gg pak record. Looks like national hit unless it flops in log run. Yes pak record is just for fun and can't be compares across time. But song is massive anyways.
Omg gonna be medium size hit atleast if not next hype boy
Five hits in first six months with just one comeback must be crazy across any genration
They already have most hits for fourth gen. And this new shiny thing used by haters don't work anymore. Ditto already setting international records for fourth gen song too. Reaching peak in global 200 both charts. Top ten in both.
I personally think hypeboy has become their biggest song in impact in korea
In September 2010 2NE1 held the first, second, third, and fourth spot on Gaon digital. The entire top 4. The previous week they also had four in the top 10 as well.
In March 2014 2NE1 had 4 top 10 songs on the Gaon weekly chart, 5 in the top 11, and 9 in the top 20.
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I started loosely following kpop roughly around when Wonder Girls were still bigger than SNSD. I started following more closely a little before Gaon was a thing.
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do u want to be in the list?
List for biggest troll? No, I'm a serious user. I mean what is the tea with NewWeaves and what is the Ves thread mentioned.
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I think that newweave got upset after getting exposed in Ves thread so I doubt he would be using that account often now.. Should be busy spamming other alt now..
What's the tea?
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I'm on mobile and unwilling to commit to writing text walls like I've done previously, so I'll just key in on the most important part of your response and apologize if I came off rudely earlier. You have excellent taste and I hope I can return to this thread to speak in hyperboles about Mamamoo again one day.
My queens deserve at least one more smash hit
But yes, I did confuse 2019 with 2020. Regardless, those are very valid you and one other user just raised about the Melon. Quite frankly, because I'm so old school, I do come from the era where getting a PAK was absolutely the pinnacle of chart achievement, and holding that PAK for an extended period of time almost made your song immortal.
But I do acknowledge that things have changed. Granted, the PAK isn't the only reason I'm impressed by Ditto but I also didn't want to turn the Digital Thread into the NewJeans achievement thread. We already have one of those.
But I'm warning everyone that my over the top superlatives are returning if Ditto passes Celebrity.
High-key I think Hype Boy is their biggest hit anyway
You were rude, and that was why things escalated, greatly on my end, but it is what it is.
I've been following kpop and charts since 2008, so I understand. However, even in the early 2010s PAKs were controversial since SM acts were functionally ineligible for PAKs. Really made it hard to compare any songs since it shut SNSD out. While certain parts of the internet and media hyped them, there were still tons of parts of the internet and the media that also didn't really care much about them. I think it really depended on where you got your news and where you discussed kpop as to how much PAKs actually meant.
When New Jeans makes bigger or more unique records, the superlatives will certainly be more welcomed, it's just way too early now.
I can't stand Hype Boy, but I agree it's their biggest song. -
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It all seems rather arbitrary to me. When is it a good time to fire up the jets? 400 PAK hours? 500 PAK hours? 600?
I'd like to know the cut off point for where people no longer consider it a hot take to speak in superlatives about Ditto or really any song that gets off to a historic start like this.
Honestly after years of fighting with other fans over the most miniscule chart details throughout the 3rd generation, I'm just a lot more willing to hand out flowers when I see something I haven't seen before.
To me, it's really analogous to how people treated Twice before Cheer Up really blew up, and I personally feel like the writing is on the wall once again with NJ.
We'll see.
Well, if you're comparing on PAK hours for girl groups, more than 720, since that's roughly how many D4 would have if based on the current ichart system. For boy groups, Love Scenario would have had even more than that.
If it's Gaon points, Melon longevity, etc, it's hard to say as far as "chart history" since those have changed so drastically over the years. I would definitely say beating all of the records set after songs released after July 2020 would be required though. -
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Yes, I remember. I'm a die-hard Mamamoo stan, and I stalked every single chart and looked up every single line graph on instiz when I wanted to see how they were measuring up to their peers.
So I do know that there are less overall charts included in the PAK metric compared to prior years, but we have to be fully transparent about the fact that Melon made changes over the years to make it harder for idol songs to dominate their chart specifically.
I remember how much people whined about the changes when literally not a single girl group had a massive digital hit in 2020 until Red Velvet just barely came through with Psycho. Fancy, Kill This Love and Gogobebe were moderate hits but not legendary ones.
I think it balances out. But even putting that aside, I just know that every time I look at that NewJeans achievement thread, Ditto is setting a new record, and none of their peers are putting up numbers like this.
Ironically, the arguments you're making about NewJeans are literally the exact same arguments I remember plenty of Sones making when Twice was starting to rise. Calling their numbers inflated and that SNSD's records were more impressive in context.
It's all cyclical
I think you're not remembering fully accurately. 2019 was when Fancy, KTL, Psycho were released. Hip was also quite successful. 2019 was a weak year for ggs for sure though.
2020 had HYLT and Lovesick Girls which together garnered almost two billion Gaon Index points. Also had Dolphin and Nonstop which together garnered almost as many. Four massive girl group songs among others. 2020 was a strong year for ggs. However, those were all before the changes with regards to ichart and PAKs.
For your other point. Melon has gotten harder to reach #1 but the songs that get to #1 stay there a lot longer, which is actually easier as far as PAK hours since there are less sites needed for a PAK and the most difficult one to get #1 on is more "sticky". I forgot which user pointed out visually that the songs that have reached #1 since the chart changed have all lasted much much longer at the peak than pre-2020 chart change songs.
Besides PAKs, theres not really much for records New Jeans is making. The songs are huge, but still. I'm all for praising New Jeans and groups that are doing well, but I wouldn't ever describe a song as biggest in Korean chart history without it being deserved, and it's been such a short time to say that.
---And on an unrelated side note, as you are a Mamamoo fan, Mamamoo is the only group I've ever had the chance to meet and briefly talk to for a hi-touch event. My bias changed on that day.
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I remember listening to Hype Boy and Attention, and as much as I enjoy Attention, Hype Boy was the clear winner for me personally. Then I saw the massive amount of song and dance covers across the globe and was confused as to how Hype Boy wasn't their most popular track.
Then the rise began. I even made a thread about it here on AKP the night it first began to push up the charts and past Attention. And now it's almost 6 months old and still top 3, and would be top 1...if not for their own songs. Wow.
I really need to know if this has ever happened before. I'm pretty sure it didn't with any 3rd gen groups. I chart watched all the time for the peak of that generation, and I don't recall anything like that.
One group's song blocking their own other song from #1/PAKs happened to both BTS and Blackpink, but the top 3 thing to my memory hasn't happened with 3rd Gen.
2NE1's Crush managed to occupy like 9 of the 10 spots on the melon daily chart or something crazy like that long ago in 2014 though. 2nd Gen though. -
It's top 3 in PAK hours ever, so it's literally not exaggeration to call it one of the biggest songs in the history of the charts. If getting that many PAKs was so easy, then why are they the first girl group ever to do it? The chart reform didn't happen in December 2022.
I think the "Ditto is big but not that big" is a really strange hill to die on, looking at the numbers it's accumulating.
And we haven't even had a real conversation about its monster sibling Hype Boy yet.
PAKs used to rely on about 10 different sites. The smaller ones often got blocked by other fandoms. Sometime between 2020-2021 almost all of those small sites went defunct or were removed from ichart, which is why most of the songs that have insane PAK hours (Dynamite, Rolling etc) are from that period and why songs from before that have a lot less.
For example. D4 was #1 on all of the *current* daily charts for 30 straight days, but back in the day there was *one* site accounting for less than one percent of the market that blocked more than half of those PAK days, turning 700+ PAK hours using today's ichart into around 185 hours on that ichart. That is why New Jeans is the first girl group to do it. It is a huge song, and you could say one of the biggest songs in the last two-three years, but "chart history" would be including songs before that when the PAK system was much different.
Outside of PAK hours there isn't anything super historical about the song. It is big, but nothing from Gaon or Melon indicates it "one of the biggest songs in chart history" *yet*.
Hype Boy is doing amazingly. -
I'd give it to Twice for now.
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Wish this was a poll.
New Jeans is doing very well. Let's see with this (low) level of quality if they can maintain the hype for 2 years like Twice did before their decline. For now I will say Twice. -
