just say u hate twice and go lol
No hate. I happened to love TTT and as a group they are fine. The fans lack comprehension sometimes it seems though.
The only thing I hate are incorrect statements. I'd like to try and inform the less educated.
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The seethe lol. We don’t care twice most streamed GG in the US.
On Spotify*. In the US is a completely false statement.
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Congratulations most streamed kpop girl group in the USA and Japan! Number 1 And 2 markets in the world!
Except across the entire USA on-demand streaming market there is a sizeable gap where BP is leading.
If you want to celebrate, Twice did get first on Spotify US due to the tracking period not containing December where BP passed them. -
Not bad
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This is from November 3rd, a month and a half before Twice even reached 450m.
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Yes, it has more time for the first daily. That's part of my above point. HYLT took 18 hours to get to near 700k, whilst Lovesick girls had 24 hours 290k.
Both were released on Friday.
Chuseok has most impact by the beginning (Wednesday), and UL's are mostly recovered by the Sunday, week to week variations. Look at the numbers yourself.
By the end of the weekend, when UL's had recovered, it was 300k UL's less then HYLT at the same time. 400k vs 700k.
It's not explained by Chuseok (that's factored in by the Sunday, and even a Friday discrepancy is about 7% on natural variation), it's not explained by the time it dropped, it's not fully explained by the 24 hour charts. The other factor for the drop is clear - prereleases dull and blunt hype/initial charting.
Next time I just wont' mention Blackpink when making the point, because I know for a fact you care nothing for the discussion about prerelease at hand, it's just mentioning Blackpink is like ringing Pavlov's bell on this forum.
No-one seems to be sticking up for Aya, or Chungha's Querencia releases, or any of the other myriad releases which make the same point.
The irony of you saying "24 hours" this time and still getting the wrong numbers. Lovesick girls did 307.5k ULs in the first 24 hours. That doesn't change your point at all, which I don't disagree with btw, but considering you attempted to lecture me, incorrectly, about something, then you use specific language and get the numbers wrong is rich.
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The entire discussion is about comparing like for like numbers on the melon daily chart, and your unneeded pedantry about rolling 24 hour uls is both unnecessary and invalid to the discussion at hand. I portrayed HYLT's daily chart over a number of days, accurately, and your only contribution was to bring up a meaningless point. Well done.
If you wanted to be accurate, the first "24 hours" is what you should have said. You said the first day, which is the first daily chart.
The reference of UL's over a number of days portrayed accurately the charting of HYLT. It peaked at 700k UL's on the daily chart and was around 600k's UL per day during most of it's initial release. This was needed because this is an accurate, a static time frame taking into account ebb and flows or listening, and the same measure we can apply to Lovesick girls, because as UWU pointed out, the chart changed.
Blonks man...... christ almighty.
Your statement was "HYLT hit with 600k -700k uls on melon immediately" and I was just correcting you. Granted, yes I could have said the first 24 hours, but the first day and the first 24 hours are in many instances the same. It was a lot clearer than your statement of "immediately. "
It's not like you were clear at all, so I don't need your misguided lecture. Considering it is directly related to the ULs discussion, it is not unnecessary nor invalid to the discussion, especially since the initial points were about immediate ULs. If you consider my commentary invalid or unnecessary, I suggest you go back to school. If you had learned to express yourself properly in the first place, none of this would have occurred. -
Those numbers aren't the first 24 hour ULs since that site updates from 1pm to 1pm. It was released at a different hour. The 24 hour ULs were 861k. The 24 hour numbers aren't hard to find at all. -
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Well that might be sound really incredible for you
But tbh considering that i know this market it doesn't sound very big to me
French was never big fans of GG not even spice girls, or destiny child were very huge here
So it's not like they had a big competition prior to this
And considering that album industry is pretty much dead in France, you don't need a lot to chart well for a long time
But well it's just my pessimistic vision as a french consumer of music
I think you're missing the point. Regardless of the market, comparing the performance of Blackpink to all other girl groups in France and other countries, there is a huge gap in popularity shown by the chart performance. I'm not saying BP is big in France, but considerably bigger than other girl groups as shown from the data.
Furthermore, just as a counter to your point, if you don't need a lot to chart well for a long time, why do almost no girl groups chart for even one week? That's the point.
If French is your first language, then I'm very impressed by your grasp of the English language btw. Just a side note separate to all of this. -
I still see non kpop albums in the list though
If I am supposed to read deeply every achievement articles then I am enjoying kpop for the wrong reasons.
Anyway where are ur sources? Dont tell me those tracking period things you speak of are something you pull out of ur asses
You think I have more than one ass? Not sure what you mean by asses lol.
Billboard deemed Born Pink to be an English album, so it's ineligible or the World Chart. Hence it never charting there. The Album still has more weeks on the World Chart their all of Twice's albums combined on that chart btw.
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Then?Born Pink isn't considered a World Album by billboard. This was a big controversy when the album came out. Really wish Onces knew how to read deeply sometimes.
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I guess you can't read charts.
This covered basically the entire chart run of both of Twice's albums and only several weeks of Born Pinks. Based on the current numbers through mid December, both are below Born Pink, which charted longer than either.
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There were no better selling girl groups in the US. Both of their albums topped the competition.
Individually both of their albums sold less, but together they sold more. It's heavily based on timing.
Just like Twice had more Spotify US streams in the US in the tracking period, but Born Pink was the most streamed album in he US in the tracking period. -
Billboard's "chart year" runs from the first week of December to the final week in November.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…Hot_100#:~:text=Billboard's%20%22chart%20year%22,the%20final%20week%20in%20November.
Reading literacy and information literacy is important. The information is inaccurate as it states, "This altered calendar allows for Billboard to calculate year-end charts and release them in time for its final print issue in the last week of December."
The information about this was released a few weeks ago, which is not the last week of December as stated. The tracking week this year included most of November of last year.
Each year they release it at different times and the tracking period varies. Whoever wrote that portion of the wiki page is going off of old info or it hasn't been updated in a long time. -
Tracking period was January 1 to October 31 for Spotify.
Through December another group that released music later has more US streams but Spotify wrapped always ends early.
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Yeah, but it still landed softer initially.
HYLT hit with 600k -700k uls on melon immediately, and was doing 600k+ first week.
Lovesick Girls landed in the 300k UL range and grew upwards into 400k uls week one. Drastically reduced.
HYLT did about 860k ULs the first day*
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With all my respect blackpink is doing some amazing things
But looking at this stat i notice that when people say charting doesn't necessarily means anything in term of real popularity i might agree in this case
I see that Blackpink did well in France in 2022 but to be honest they are still nugu there and it really surprise me tonsee how well they did in this chart when their overall popularity and presence among the GP there is pretty much dead
But well it's still very good of them
Born Pink has been on the French album chart for 13 weeks now. About 12 weeks longer than any girl group has ever done. Regardless of how "nugu" you feel they are, it maintains the point that no girl group comes close at all. I'm not saying they are mega popular in many of these countries, but clearly the most popular among girl groups worldwide, with a considerable gap. -
Don't expect this to get replies since it's impossible to deny.
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3 Million would be if those streams were mostly in poor countries. Most figures point to 1B streams coming out to 5-10 million depending on where those streams come from.
With Youtube and other streaming services, it's a lot more money in the long run than most artists are likely to get from albums, especially considering albums will have more money coming out for distributors etc. -
Since when was feel special a flop??
Minion, i think u are directing ur hate for bp to twice now
My guess is that outside of Japan it did poorly everywhere else.
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This one is for albums. This shows the worldwide gap best. Another surprise for me, even LSRF has more official chart entries than Twice.
So let's stop this narrative that any other girl group is anywhere near BP's level globally or in the West.
