Posts by ThePhantomThief
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A bunch of dudes in their 40's and 50's be ANGRY
Oh well
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Yeah I wouldn't mind if there was the option to go back to the old style if you wanted.
I understand not being able to hide badges, because people spend money on them, but on pc/laptop, between the badges and icon stuff at the top of a post and peoples signatures at the bottom, there is way, way more scrolling need to read a thread.
Edit: Decided to switch of signatures, which helps a little
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JYP and management are a huge issue.
As others have said, terrible management, terrible promo and what I think was a defeatist attitude in the face of opposition.
Itzy launched to strong hype and good public opinion, and quickly grabbed the "Queens of 4th gen" crown when there really wasn't much competition for the title. So JYP seemed to be like yeap cool, they won, gmae over. Then aespa came along and JYP put up exactly no resistance while the aespa girls walked up and took that crown. Mediocre comebacks, some styling issues, his stupid refusal to allow individual members to promo and stay in the public eye and a really odd response to the Lia bullying stuff. He waited almost a year before starting to try and bring up any kind of response with CiL, and by then it seems the damage was already done. Although I do think theres some early indications of Itzy clawing their way back a little with some more positive public reactions in recent months. So of course JYP will blow that away somehow.
I also think covid put a serious dent in Itzy's momentum, more than most other groups. It seems clear to me that JYP wanted his answer to Blackpink. A more global, internationally focused group. A fairly quick US tour after debut, making sure the girls were learning English and doing English language interviews, very charismatic, talk show friendly members, all that points to that. And a sound that, while a bit messy, seems better suited to live performances and big hall/concert venues than many other 4th gen groups. You can see that vibe with some of their live show performances, which use a lot of stage flair, remixed tracks, ad libing to a degree. Don't tell me that parts like the clapping part in Loco isn't designed to have a small stadium full of fans doing that while the song hits a peak. I wouldn't be surprised if the main goal was to build up a decent enough song catalogue while building some hype and then throwing the girls on a world tour. Of course Covid stopped that and might stop that for a while. So what does JYP do? Essentially put the girls in a holding pattern and doesn't know how to change course, which then circles back to his lazy defence against other 4th gen groups.
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For your response kind of proves how well that particular image of kpop sells tbh haha far more than the BF image.
As a counter how many times have you heard about entire sports teams being best friends forever? Similar to the idol trainee system they train together live in camps together travel the country or the world together… but do those people project their best friends image as much as idols do?
I think idol group dynamics is as fake as the BF image they try to project
In general I do actually agree though.
Even as GG fan, it's clear to see how some gg's are much, much more comfortable and friendly with each other, or with individual members within a group more than others.To me it seems like one of the biggest gg's out there don't really like each a huge amount, while another big gg, it seems like some members do seem very close, while other combos are much more obviously co-workers.
Then you got Dreamcatcher members that seems to grope each other constantly...
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Oh trust me, I know this one first hand.
OTOH, most of these people weren't friends BEFORE they dormed up, which is a different thing to moving in with existing friends. Some of my longest term friends were people I met as room-mates in Japan many, many years ago. -
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I'm not familiar enough with boy groups and their interactions with fans to know if they can or cannot.
But I think kpop and and idol groups are inherently built on foundation of "boyfriend/girlfriend" appeal.
In that both genders of idols are specifically made from the ground up to have an "attraction" element as a fundamental aspect of why in aggregate this type of industry sells.
Despite the often insistence by many that they are into this whole industry for purely platonic music appreciation, I think that is a self-deception in many cases.
Not that I think every fan wants to explicitly "date" their favs, or legitimately has delusions about that actually being possible. But I do think that they are "stand ins" for the type of people fans often might be attracted to.
In other words I think there is an appeal there and underlying fascination specifically because they are often presented as the type of individuals we not only admire for their pure musical talents and pursuits, but often in character and image and yes, physicality, they are often the type of person many would find attractive in a real life relationship, or the type of man/woman that is attractive to a fan in real life.
It's spectrum so to speak. And I don't think it's harmful if on the more benign and moderate side of that equation.
It's the difference between "he/she is appealing to me and I find him/her and attractive individual and look how talented they are" (benign) and "oh my god I want them to tell me their my boyfriend/girlfriend and treat me like we're in a relationship" (toxic).
Both are built on attraction as a key driver. But one is not the same as the other.
I think the explicit indulging of the latter is harmful and is ideally avoided, least it foster delusional and unrealistic obsession.
Interesting
Much of what you said I was also to going to say in a way in the Males who like BG's, Females who like GG's thread.
That a parasocial, physical and yes, sexual, attraction to members of a group heavily drives how much a fan becomes a stan or more of the group.
That one primary reason why Het Males don't "follow" boy groups as much as they might girl groups is because of that. Like... a guy might be a fan of a bg's music and listen to them, but without that "Attraction" it never goes deeper than that, whereas a girl group with music that Cis Het Male has the "attraction" aspect that leads to a deeper emotional (although one sided) connection. Without that connection, you don't really deeper than enjoying some of their songs.
And same with Het Females and boy groups.
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Nah it’s easy af. Why else are people so surprised when groups have falling outs and bullying scandals and what not lol.
I think the vast majority of it is fake. I’m not friends with my co workers or all my co workers at least and I do good work and am perfectly capable of having an amiable relationship with them. Why will it be different for idols. It’s more that why do you think they’re all best friends forever? It’s hard to maintain one best friend let alone 7 or 8 or whatever.
I didn’t say they’re enemies(tho I do blv that exists too) just that they’re not really as close as ppl think they are.
I think one difference with usual co-workers is the dorm thing. Being forced to live with someone makes or breaks things a little for. You're either forced to get along or fall apart. They also have the shared experience thing.
I do think the "closeness" and frienship thing would be easier in a smaller group or 4-5 then pretending 8 other people are your best, sworn life friends though. -
To be honest, I don't seek out BGs a lot, I'll listen when they come to me or theres a lot of hype (like I'll always check out a new BTS song so I know what everyones talking about).
I probably would be put off if a bg did do a soft/cute concept, but if it was a one off kind of thing thats cool, groups can experiment. I'd also be a bit put off if a gg I follow shifted up their style or concept too much though (eg Dreamcatcher and Airplane)
And I think most kpop bgs, at least on first glance, project a softer image in terms of visual appearance. Even when trying to look "tough" or hard. Its only on listen to their music that you get a clearer understanding of their sound, which COULD explain why some guys don't get into them. They are judging on first look and seeing a "boy band"
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Maybe cuz their tts tend to be on the harder side? I wonder if males fans were put off by their sexier, more skin showing concepts.
Yeah I feel like bg with more soft concepts and looks might not appeal to guys? That's my theory ig
That's something I would wonder about to.
Basically this. Of course I can't speak for all guys, but the groups that lean more toward a rock concept or a rap concept with a harder edge are what male listeners would like.
The softer or cuter concepts aren't as appealing, nor are the BFE/parasocial type concepts (unless that's what you're into). We aren't looking for a group that is singing to "us" about loving us or whatever.
As far as the sexy/showing skin thing, I don't know if thats a HUGE issue. Plenty of guys like male groups and singers all over the world that show skin/act sexy, if the music fits their taste. On a male heavy discord I used to hang out on, Wonho is super popular among straight dudes there, and his thirst trap stuff is a source of constant amusement.
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true but also people on the outside shouldn't be getting offended or upset for over shit between other people that like talking to each other that way. Like the example you used with your friends at work. Yes you are right there's a level of professionalism by doing it in private. But what would be the response if someone happened upon it maybe walked into a room they weren't meant to be in an witnessed it? The following outrage still wouldn't be justifiable. People need to learn to mind their own fucking business.
Not really. Work places do have Codes of Conduct, and friends giving each crap in an offensive manner can breach that if a listener takes offence (eg if I make fat jokes to my fat friend who is FINE with them, but a nearby listener, who may be overweight, is upset by them, I'm done). You can, and people do, get in trouble because a listener or third party is offended. It's why, when acting in a professional capacity (and idols, when doing something that the public will see are covered under this I think) you must always be mindful of how your words/actions might be taken by others around you.
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Soon?
Alright, time to clear some money and time up for October it is.
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Theres a time and place for it.
Guys call each other dumb stuff all the time, and as long as both parties are ok with it, whatever, but context and situation matter.
Behind closed doors, in the dorm, backstage when it's just "the boys"? Whatever, guys will rip each other.
But when theres an audience, you gotta consider the audience and how they will take it. At the least, the guys might look boorish and rude, at worst other people might be downright offended and upset and it looks unprofessional. Me and my two close co-workers/friends call each other the silliest, meanest stuff when it's just the three of us. When their are customers/management around, we act much, much more professional.
End of the day, idols are yeah just human and normal guys who might give each other some spice, BUT they are also professionals in a way who need to recognise how they are perceived.
You also gotta think, as a person, if you want OTHERS who aren't your friends calling you that. Theres some things my close friends call me that I am ok with them using that. If others, like just a casual friend or distant co-worker called me that, we going to throw down, or I'd be quite upset.
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I've paid for all of the Dreamcatcher ones and BlackPink: The Show.
Well worth it, especially Dreamcatcher.
I also enjoyed reporting any illegal streams of the shows that were stealing the content.
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