Posts by mariaVSkpop

    American Pop Scene- More soloists

    Kpop Scene- More groups

    to add to that

    American pop scene - 70 years of modern pop industry, with many pop traditions and cultural elements, dozens of different and distinct music genres and scenes, geographically diverse, has been exported from the beginning internationally

    Kpop Scene - 30 years of kpop industry, one very specific kpop tradition and one very specific kpop culture, geographically located mostly in and around Seoul, dozens of (mainly computer-based) music genres combined into one music package in one specific scene, has been exported internationally mainly the last 15-20 years

    But isn't it weird? Why can a huge country with decades of experience in all kinda entertainment media not emulate or surpass the high quality and creativity spark that the American music scene had in the former century or early '00s?

    Many American MV's these days just breathe creative laziness.


    Maybe it's just me, but I really feel that in several fields, among them the music industry, that America's best days lie in the past. Which is a shame, but maybe it's also just a natural process, that other countries and cultures are picking it up and carrying the torch in those fields.

    Depends, mainstream US music industry has taken a huge blow because of new media, p2p tech, streaming services and so on in the last 20 years. And if you take under consideration that mainstream pop targets a specific audience nowadays and not the whole market as up until the 90s/00s. What is cheaper than producer-based, in-the-box made music? You don;t have to call 10 musicians to record, you don't have to spend additional studio time if the recordings are not going well, or studio equipment if you need specific instruments or synths, and with melodyne and autotune you don't really need the singing talent either, or if you have the singing talent, the recording costs of doing multiple takes for a vocalist is a non issue. So you end up with mass produced, soulless, corporate, simplistic music. Plus, you only really need a viral tiktok video to become huge. So, there come the gimmic tik tok songs.

    On the other hand though, Jazz, rock, metal, and classical are now probably on the best level musicianship wise and production wise that they have ever been. Arguably, in some genres, even composition wise. Since they are no longer bound by mainstream rules, musicians can do whatever they want and create whatever type of music they want, and the internet provides an audience they otherwise would never had, even if they lose the mainstream appeal. And this is also true for a lot of indie pop, underground hip hop and electronic music.

    Btw, other countries were and still are ahead in many music genres. Scandinavian metal for example (especially the Gothenburg melodeath scene, the whole 2000-2010s american metalcore thing was build upon it), or latin american music (from bossa nova to raeggeton etc), electronic music in the UK (trip hop, dubstep) and acid jazz, post rock from canada and the UK or even japan and so on.

    But isn't it weird? Why can a huge country with decades of experience in all kinda entertainment media not emulate or surpass the high quality and creativity spark that the American music scene had in the former century or early '00s?

    Many American MV's these days just breathe creative laziness.


    Maybe it's just me, but I really feel that in several fields, among them the music industry, that America's best days lie in the past. Which is a shame, but maybe it's also just a natural process, that other countries and cultures are picking it up and carrying the torch in those fields.

    Depends, mainstream US music industry has taken a huge blow because of new media, p2p tech, streaming services and so on in the last 20 years. And if you take under consideration that mainstream pop targets a specific audience nowadays and not the whole market as up until the 90s/00s. What is cheaper than producer-based, in-the-box made music? You don;t have to call 10 musicians to record, you don't have to spend additional studio time if the recordings are not going well, or studio equipment if you need specific instruments or synths, and with melodyne and autotune you don't really need the singing talent either, or if you have the singing talent, the recording costs of doing multiple takes for a vocalist is a non issue. So you end up with mass produced, soulless, corporate, simplistic music. Plus, you only really need a viral tiktok video to become huge. So, there come the gimmic tik tok songs.

    On the other hand though, Jazz, rock, metal, and classical are now probably on the best level musicianship wise and production wise that they have ever been. Arguably, in some genres, even composition wise. Since they are no longer bound by mainstream rules, musicians can do whatever they want and create whatever type of music they want, and the internet provides an audience they otherwise would never had, even if they lose the mainstream appeal. And this is also true for a lot of indie pop, underground hip hop and electronic music.

    Btw, other countries were and still are ahead in many music genres. Scandinavian metal for example (especially the Gothenburg melodeath scene, the whole 2000-2010s american metalcore thing was build upon it), or latin american music (from bossa nova to raeggeton etc), electronic music in the UK (trip hop, dubstep) and acid jazz, post rock from canada and the UK or even japan and so on.

    edit for tldr: modern american mainstream pop music/MVs/talent and so on often suck because of economic environment dictates production and promotion choices

    The big budgeted, extravagant music videos - a la Hype Williams from the 90s/00s, or the music videos from the 80s - are more or less a thing of the past in the west and i don't see them coming back any time soon. Also, you forget that kpop is the largest part of the modern pop scene in S. Korea so it makes sense to invest money if you corner the largest part of the music industry by the get go, high investment - high returns.

    In the US (basically generally in the west) the pop industry is really fragmented. It is not really individualism but this fragmentation. Just to break it down, popular music genres include country, pop rock and pop punk, edm, rnb, synthpop and tons of hiphop/rap subgenres, local scenes, and so on. Two of the most influential cities for the american music industry in the 2020s is Nashville and Atlanta. Hell, the various UK electronic/dance scenes have been probably more influential than the LA and NYC scenes in the last 20 years for pop music. So why would you invest a ton of money if you are cornering only a fragment of the total market? And, in many cases, you don't really have to target internationally or even nationally but just locally to make profit and have a sustainable business?

    The big budgeted, extravagant music videos - a la Hype Williams from the 90s/00s, or the music videos from the 80s - are more or less a thing of the past in the west and i don't see them coming back any time soon. Also, you forget that kpop is the largest part of the modern pop scene in S. Korea so it makes sense to invest money if you corner the largest part of the music industry by the get go, high investment - high returns.

    In the US (basically generally in the west) the pop industry is really fragmented. It is not really individualism but this fragmentation. Just to break it down, popular music genres include country, pop rock and pop punk, edm, rnb, synthpop and tons of hiphop/rap subgenres, local scenes, and so on. Two of the most influential cities for the american music industry in the 2020s is Nashville and Atlanta. Hell, the various UK electronic/dance scenes have been probably more influential than the LA and NYC scenes in the last 20 years for pop music. So why would you invest a ton of money if you are cornering only a fragment of the total market? And, in many cases, you don't really have to target internationally or even nationally but just locally to make profit and have a sustainable business?

    I'm talking about artists of today not of the past. Stupid ones who get famous cause of memes

    wait. didn't you specifically mention mariah carrey and rihanna? we are moving the goalposts now, aren't we kpoppie?

    your fave could never, right kpoppie?

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    this thread is still going on. wow! so, here, the untalented and lazy lady gaga before she became lady gaga, alicia keys, and norah jones. I mean, they are all lazy and untalented!I will give this to the poster, these artists would never be accepted by the kpop industry and kpop fans.

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    most of what Mariah did in the 90's, Mary J Blige and Whitney were already doing.

    You can always go further back to Diana Ross, The Supremes, Tina Turner and more. Hell, you can go as back as Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday and Ella and you wouldn't be wrong on the whole crossover sound and mix of pop, jazz, blues, rnb and soul.

    Why is nobody mentioning Lauryn Hill though? She and the fugees were immense influences in the 90s, and so was Missy Elliot.

    Are you people for real?

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    some kpop fans are really pathetic, aren't they? always stirring trouble. anyways, I am going to leave these here, tell me when kpop produces this type of talents...