Listen I was beginning to see your point of view but the bolded part is plain idiotic
you do not explain why though?
Posts by mariaVSkpop
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Ah yes. A whole generation is waiting for social messaging and identity through top-down designed, hyper-controlled, highly manufactured, corporate sludge. For how much the kpop fandom leans left and pretends to be above "them stupid locals", and spewing "rap is bad cause sex and drugs", "rock is bad cause sex and drugs and old white people music" and so on, the irony is highly entertaining.
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oh wait. Nvm. I see it now.
can you please explain it to me because I read the post like 5 times and I honestly don't get what it's about.
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The 1 year old boy was that he had indecent/pornographic images of him. I don't know if he was accused of rape but I remember following this case and he was accused of sexual/indecent images of 6 minors under 13 (one of whom was a 1 year old boy). The sexual assault charge was for someone under 13 but the actual age was never revealed. If I remember correctly there was also something on his phone related to animal pornography that he was charged with (could be wrong). I was 10 years old and I remember reading about this online and was really disappointed. I was super into rock at that time and was terrified that the people I liked were like him. Had to take a break from rock music for a while after.
Probably you are right, it's been many years. Also, totally forgot about the animal thing. Yeah, the whole thing was out of nowhere and really shocking.
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not kpop and I don't know if it counts as a scandal since it was really serious and not just gossip or whatever. I was never really a fan but I absolutely enjoyed many songs by lostprophets when I was a young kid, shinobi vs dragon ninja was one of those 2000s rock songs that became huuuge and got a lot of airplay across europe for years. A few years back the singer was arrested and convicted of the rape of a kid, like 1 or 2 years of age, assaulting other kids and some other stuff. It was a shock for a lot of people in the rock circles. Personally, I can't listen to any of their songs even now.
the other guys from the band went on to form a new band with the singer of Thursday, and of course they hate the guts of that piece of shit. -
unfortunately yes, at least at the self producing, writing their own songs part.
To write/produce/compose etc your own songs/lyrics etc is a given in dozens of music genres, hell, even high school rock bands are expected to have 2 or 3 song of their own after a couple of months of playing together, and even first time rappers are expected to write their own verses. So for me it is not something crazy or incredible. And, to be honest, I don't have a problem when kpop fans praise self-producing idols when the whole thing goes like this "hey, such and such idol group writes and produces their own music, isn't that awesome? I really like how they can express themselves and I like the outcome of their creative process". My problem starts when the fans go a step further and:
a) bring down other artists in kpop that do not write and produce their music as if they don't have any artistic merit, regardless if the self-produced track might be worse than the non self-produced track, or even the performance is worse or whatever. And we are talking full on disrespectful name calling, not only towards the non self produced idols, but also personal attacks towards fans of said idol even when they say or do nothing in return.
b) in the same breath, they exclaim how the self-producing kpop idols they support are so much more talented and greater music artists, composers, lyricists and so on than the artists on other genres, genres where song writing, lyrics writing, self-recording, producing etc are things even the most basic and amateurish representatives of those scenes are expected to do. And no, day6 and n.flying are not better musicians, composers and arrangers than Plini, Mono or Snarky Puppy, GD is in no way near to be a producer at the level of a Butch Vig or Steve Albini, RM cannot hold a candle against Pain of Salvation's Daniel Gildenlow or Opeth's Mikael Aekerfeldt, or hell, even my chemical romance's Gerard Way, when it comes to creating lyrical themes and concept album storytelling, and there is definitely no female idol even close to be compared to Bjork. -
if it survived releasing underage girl's nudes, it can survive anything
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Haha, I am looking at various desired points, especially the salary and assets for both categories, and I am laughing my ass off. These people are in for a rude awakening.
btw, SK is at the same level of birth rate as greece, and greece had just gotten out of a 10 year brutal recession (practically lost at least 1/3 of its economy) and was just recovering as covid hit, (talk about bad luck), and also lost at least 5% of its population (especially in the younger, highly educated group) due to massive migration to other EU countries and the UK. -
Interesting how being (an international) fan of kpop supposedly proves that you are breaking social and cultural norms related to your own culture and you are not like all the other local drones, but at the same time you hold the idols responsible of following the slightest minutia of the strictest, most conservative korean cultural behavioral elements.
I know i have been looking into the kpop scene for only a few months and lack many of the nuances of the scene, but, my god, a portion of the fans are some of the most superficial, egocentric and hypocritical pieces of shit I have ever met in any other music scene, prog rock, jazz and black metal included. The lack of self-awareness and the double standards are staggering. -
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sorry but i disagree. Celebrating diversity means helping the real natives get spotlight too. Not whitewashing them out in favor of mixed contestants. The real South Americans have no European ancestry. They are called "native americans". Sure, the white people killed them off in North America, but in South America, you can still largely find pure ones.
the one drop rule being pushed onto them only helps push white supremacy because most of the time they do not apply the same standards to mixed black kids. Brazil is like the biggest example of this. They literally cast white actors to play the part of "slaves".
Why are you even correcting that troll? she knows exactly what i meant in the original post. She simply wanted to be overdramatic and nitpick.
Shes just mad that i was spitting out the facts about White privilege in kpop. So she had to derail the thread into something else.
Hey look, the racist, hellenophobe is back. Which genocide are you going to deny today little racist?
And you did not spit out any facts. If there was actual "white privilege" in kpop than you would see (even mediocre talented) white idols in the major positions of the major kpop groups produced by the major kpop labels. They would be promoted above all the other non-white members and you would see these white kpop idols present in all the typical kpop related industries such as k-dramas, OSTs, fashion ads, sponsorships etc.
And it is also interesting how you look down upon the koreans themselves, as if it is external powers who decide for them what they like, or whom to support in their own industry. How weak do you think S. koreans are? Which also raises the question, so what if koreans liked white artists or white kpop idols? what would that prove? Because, by your logic, the non-korean public (especially in non asian countries) should not consume kpop or other asian content since it is the result of korean privilege and SK soft power (in which case I would say, WTF).
Btw, I am not even mentioning the undertones of your logic that all asians are the same belonging in one huge group, and that kpop industry is the de facto representative of asian music industries and scenes.
And as for brazil, interesting how you use a south american country to give examples for your arguments, but you dismiss it all immediately when I base my arguments on the pontic greek experience. Please, remind me how do you call that? Hypocrisy?
In the end, you are simply a racist. -
most Americans are unaware about other cultures, so they'll just lump people together.
and they will call you an uncle tom or say that you have white fragility when you point that out?
- Hey, there are different cultures and groups with different historical backgrounds and different historical experiences, and what you say does not apply to everyone!
- You are racist! How dare you ask for nuance! All people of [insert common characteristic which you have no control over it] are the same and share the same historical responsibility!
Up is down, left is right, nickelback is a good band...
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When Americans say white they usually just mean fair skinned people of Northwestern European heritage, who dominate the West politically and financially. Other Europeans aren't really considered because they weren't any significant part of American history.
and yet you see it applied outside of that context just a few comments above. We are at a point were someone who is greek, born in greece, lives in greece, with a family history that has nothing to do with the US can be said that presents white fragility.
And greeks were a part of american history, just as the italians or the irish were and still are. Greeks were some of the groups specically targeted by the likes of KKK and other nativist organizations such as mormon organizations as foreigners and a danger to "pure americans" and christianity and whatnot.
you have cases of pogroms and organized violence against greek communities in the USA such as lynching and murder of greeks, destruction of greek businesses and even organized rapes of greek women, which led for example to the creation of organizations such as AHEPA (American Hellenic Education Progressive Association). I bet that you have never heard of any of these things. -
Because thats exactly what you are and you do have white fragility based on your very first response. I didn't lie.
that was the context. you asked if you wanted to be anti asian? and my response was i don't give a damn. The rest of the stuff i didn't even want bother with because i knew you were being extra on purpose.
i was specifically making the point that generalising = bad, not was asking to be racist against asians. you are just making up things and you know it. Also, that was not your response, you did not say you don't care did you?
Last time i checked the theory of white fragility is applied to white americans (especially white of the anglo protestant variety) in the context of racial history and tensions in the US, because of how they perceive that equality = oppression of whites and how they react to perceived loss of institutional power. At least this is my understanding of it (not to mention that now there is an emergence of brown fragility and asian fragility narrative with regards to education and work in the IT sector, but that is another topic). Can you please explain how it applies in my case as a greek, born in greece and living in greece, having the specific family past, which has nothing to do with the US and the race relations and history there?
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Hey you said it not me
why don't you include the context properly? At this point you are embarrassing yourself.
"Can i generalize all asians as genocide maniacs, rapists and occupiers based on what the ottomans and the turks did, or are you going to call me racist?"
"If i say asians butchered and raped my family then people would call me out as generalizing and creating negative stereotypes and even behaving in a racist manner, and they would be absolutely in the right."
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nah, more like she wants to play the victim. Look at how bad the thread has been derailed because she wanted to be oversensitive.
And it would have ended in your first response, but you had to go with uncle tom and white fragility...
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and who told you to feel "attacked"? LMAO. the only ones that need to be mad are the ones it applies to. If you want to be an insecure anti-asian white person that ironically stans kpop at the same time, do you. No one's stopping you.
now I am anti-asian! And no, i am not a stan, you can be interested in a music scene and talk about it without being fanatical, or even being a fan at all.
As for the attack, you called me uncle tom and mentioned white fragility to someone whose family suffered through ethnic cleansing and genocide, after centuries of slavery and oppression, and were thrown out of their ancestral homes and lost everything. You are losing the plot here. -
right cause i have to be extra specific every time i post something so as to not offend every oversensitive uncle tom
If i say asians butchered and raped my family then people would call me out as generalizing and creating negative stereotypes and even behaving in a racist manner, and they would be absolutely in the right.
So, what gives you the right to do that? And then attack me, a person who specifically said that their family was raped, murdered and thrown out from the lands of their ancestors! And you are not asian, I assume you are not white, so what are you then? -
girl if they didn't colonize any country, then you don't even have bring them up, i'm talking about the ones that did genius. White fragility i swear.
1.You say western you include everyone who is western.
2.can't believe that you just mentioned white fragility to someone whose family was butchered and thrown out of the lands they lived for millennia by the turks. What is next? will you deny the genocide of the pontic greeks? Will you the illegal occupation of cyprus and the transfer of illegal settlers from the mainland?
3.Are you asian btw? Can i generalize all asians as genocide maniacs, rapists and occupiers based on what the ottomans and the turks did, or are you going to call me racist? -
Half whites are pretty much western soft power inserted by the powers that be. The white worshipping countries like the Filippines and Latin America go crazy for these contestants (because they were colonized obviously)
Half blacks are barred from even entering. Did you know Saweetie and HER are actually half filo?? but they are not claimed by their asian country at all. Only the black community celebrates them.
I am from the balkans, more specifically Greece, can you explain to me how this "western soft power" logic applies to countries like Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, and why not even include Cyprus, Esthonia, Lithuania, Moldova, Poland, Ireland etc. I mean you specifically say western so by definition you do include these countries, right? I honestly can't wait for you to explain the colonization past of these countries...
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here this should help
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petitions_to_Blue_House
but since SK is democratic country they can't force a show to stop airing. they will listen to the people's concern and give answers/ their stance.
I personally like this petition system, since its has the stipulation that the government must answer within 30 days for petitions over 200,000 sig. keeps the government accountable and helps people voice concerns directly to the gov.
read through some of the answers. They really are all over the place. I guess it helps for allowing the public to vent and be acknowledged by the government, but I don't see how it practically helps on matters of court decisions and the like. I have no problem with this scheme, as long it does not offer the government an excuse to stifle personal expression and artistic liberty. Thanks for your comment.
