Posts by illumiseven

bts had attended the event as special presidential envoys I dont get why instead of highlighting their speech or their message he had to point to fans watching it and wanting to become members of un just to see them

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why do you guys need 15 pages to discuss one comment????

this would have gotten over in few pages if people who don't care abt it didn't drop their opinion

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Poor man ...

If we blame everything and everyone for small things, so what's left?

no one asked u to I get people have diff choices if u cant see his character then its your loss u can support this poor man no one is stopping you

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I will be honest.

There are many teenage girls in kpop fandoms, sure. But why is that a problem? Boy groups are made for them essentially. It's nothing to bring teenage girls down for and undermine their opinions over.

even if according to your boy groups are made for that but still a fandom is always diverse with various ages and genders and when the quote a 15 year old fangirl is uses to demean the artists and fans I dont think its ok

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ARMYs always dramatic over nothing.

no one asked u to give attention towards the drama u did because u wanted to

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look at the scandal they made for a simple words, a mature person does not do that, a mature person simply do not pay attention, instead army, again making a fool of themselves, if they are not 12 year old girls they literally behave like an xd

u think ur very mature why r u interfering here no one asked ur opinion

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15 years old?, The guy was really generous, most are 12 years old

did u have a survey with army or is it your mind made assumption

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I mean I do believe kpop has a predominantly young female fanbase. But my point is there is nothing wrong with that.

there is nothing wrong with that but people use that to lookdown on fans and the artist and thats the problem

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If he had just made the joke about their “fans” in general or something I would have been like okay.

But when you go out of the way to mention “15 year old girls” as the butt of the joke you know it’s because you’re a pathetic misogynist and there are no exceptions.

We need to change narrative in media criticism in general. Random bullshit gets praised if it has a more acceptable “following” of men. God forbade women like something. A marvel movie is as generic and over the top as any Romcom. But you know what gets more criticized? The Romcom. Cuz it’s easy to diss something that’s catered towards a female audience.

Anyway this is nothing new. Boy bands have always received this criticism from cis het men in power thinking they’re all that.

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I dont get why he had to generalise fans as 15 yr old teenagers boybands can have diverse variety of fans and people who think this was joke or he meant to be funny need to rethink their definition of a joke

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I don't think you're aware of the real implications of saying "a fandom is made out of teenage girls".

Firstly, we should ask ourselves: why do teenage girls/women always tend to be the punching bags of men in power and the mainstream media? And this is not a current joke btw, this predates the Beatlemania and it's not an exclusive issue that belongs to Kpop.

Secondly, I believe it is stereotyping women because it implies only teenage GIRLS would enjoy their music when the reality is completely the opposite. Hell, even on this forum we can find people from all ages/sex enjoying their music and other bgs music. Actually, implying a fandom consists of teenage girls also means we are not here for the music, but their looks, because they're handsome men and again undermining women's preferences. Come on, how many time haven't you heard people like bgs music bc of their looks? I know it can go the other way around as for ggs music, but it's not my focus here.

And even if the stereotype is on boybands, again why do we women have always to be the punching bags? We could say the joke ends up stereotyping both fandom and women as it implies women should know better. But I've heard countless times things as: "only teenage girls would listen to this type of music" "their fandom is made out of teenage girls", this kind of sentence has a double meaning bc it can be read as: teenage girls don't know any better about music and older women shouldn't be listening to this type of music.

Of course I know boybands have a target audience, but as a woman, I'm simply tired of having my preferences looked down on by people and the media and I find it completely offensive. If you don't, that's alright, but please DO NOT diminish other women's complaints because we know what these so-called jokes might actually be referring to.

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totally agreed and the point is bts fandom is diverse with various age groups and genders categorising them as 15 year old fangirls especially when the word 15 yr old fangirl is used to lookdown on them is not correct

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today in akp history:

I discovered a few james corden defenders or james corden (token) stans

I bet u will find more token stans in the future

and for the people who found it funny and commenting it was just a joke u need to know the tweet is deleted they themselves know how problematic its was

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People thinking that BTS fandom is made out of teenager girls is not perperuating a sterotype that is preventing people from living their life decently or having access to their basic rights as human beings so lets stop making these parallels.

I didnt bring all that into what I was saying I was just telling that different thing offend diff people in diff ways like if it doesn't offend u no one told u to give your opinion here and btw lets end the parallels

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Are you serious now? Like are you actually serious?

u should be asking that to yourself u started the comparison not me

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This is by far the worst take I've ever seen. Boy band fan jokes being compared to racism, homophobia and sexism.

You are acting like an embarrassing child.

homophobia jokes hurt u and boy band jokes hurt me simple as that

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Because the army cancels everything. This is why most people don't take overprotective kpop fandoms seriously. I don't think he said anything to be taken too seriously. If he says something really rude, I can understand that you cancel.

your statement is just proving army are bigger than kpop fandoms as a whole

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There are many reasons to cancel James Doreen but frankly this one seems extremely insignificant comparatively

there may be many reasons according to you but only some reasons relate to specific people

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Not at you comparing a joke about boy group fangirls to jokes laced with homophobia and racism.

it can be compared making jokes on those matters are frowned upon by some people these jokes also can be disliked its all based on preference a joke funny to u is not necessarily funny for me