Posts by vzal

Quote from number-one

That may also have something to do with marketing or playlisting, because in YT difference is not that big.

YT Music also counts MV views and Idle uses a lot of ads, idk about LSF. It's not just Spotify. LSF also do way better on Apple Music.

QUEENS OF LIFE!

Quote from Tru-Multistan

True it's not quite the same but it's not too far off is all I meant. I was mostly just saying because we just had that thread lol.

Again it brings up the question of how heavy do you weigh domestic success. I've seen Yama-Chan say many times that a top kpop group has to have domestic success and I think that's pretty fair to say but at what point does international success make domestic success irrelevant?

Now this is a completely impossible scenario but imagine if BP came back next year and exceeds their previous comebacks on spotify, YT, billboard, album sales, etc, but somehow makes no noise on SK charts. Would we stop calling BP the top girl group?

To me, domestic success or the lack of doesn't matter if the group is 5+ years old. Koreans have always moved on quick. However if a group is charting top 100 on Spotify, earning hot100 entries and can tour to 500k+ ppl while flopping on kcharts then those kcharts hold no meaning.

Obviously the comeback is going to make noise. But then they would simply not be the biggest in SK and they haven't been since IVE dropped After Like.

Quote from Yama-Chan

You realize that IDLE stomps them in Korea digitals by a WIDE margin and total album sales right?

Does scraping the bottom of the Hot 100 for a week matter that much in comparison?

LSF are a B tier group in SK but that hardly matters when they continue to chart well in every other country. No I don't think Korean digitals don't matter at all, they just aren't relevant in this particular discussion.

You talk as if everyone and their mama charts on the Hot100. Like it's THEE hot100, charting for even a week matters and it matters a lot lmao. Esp for LSF vs Idle cuz the latter has tried to break out in the US but failed.

Idle have been around longer so ofc they will have more sales. LSF are a relatively new group. By the time they are done, they would have sold way more, completed bigger tours and maybe, earned 1 or 2 more hits in SK.

The answer is clearly LSF. Whether you like it or not they have put out intl hits and are a top group outside of SK.

Quote from Tru-Multistan

Ah trying to determine who is 4 and 5 I see.

This is the 4th gen equivalent of BM vs KIOF.

Not really. KIOF and BM are more close in popularity internationally than Idle and LSF cuz the latter absolutely stomps Idle on Spotify

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TWICE-TRATEGY STEP 1

FUN-WICE IS BACK

They will rise

Quote from Sugary-Salt

They dominated in 2019 and 2020, but nowadays their hype has gone. I must to say that 2019 Itzy is not a group you can see now. They debuted with a fresh concept, a blend of kpop with EDM, truly impressive. Dunno why, since 2020 J Y Park turned them to typical girl crush blackpink-wannabes. In addition, his baseless favoritism towards Ryujin was so annoying that I stopped support Itzy since 2020.

The last release is pretty good though, but a golden time is wasted.

Honestly they could have had a minor hit with Imaginary Friend if it was released first. Idk, they have a little over a year left in their contracts so I guess JYPE is not going to try more with them. A solo debut and a world tour and then they will disband imo.

Quote from echo-sage

for me top 5 are

1.newjeans

2.aespa

3.ıve

4.le sserafim

5.kiof.

for me ıtzy lost their momentum so ı wouldn't call them in top 5 right now.

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No Idle?

Quote from stxr

comparing nmixx wins vs itzy wins sure nmixx won 0 with O.O while itzy won 10 times with dalla dalla, nmixx won 1 for love me like this compared to itzy winning 8 with wannabe- nmixx couldve easily been big since as u claim that they were from jyp

..what?

Where did Nmixx come from

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it seems like ur new here since they were the top gg of there time when they were dominating, i would still concider them being ranked high

Me and new?

Itzy weren't dominant AT ALL. Hell, they have never even made it to Gallup. Everyone has just overrated their success because they are from JYP when in reality they have like 2 hit songs.

Just came across this tweet and I knew I had to ask this cuz wdym Itzy dominated FOUR years?? In what world

Quote from monalisalove

How much do they need to enter the top200?

1.2M is the cutoff I think. They need 1.5-6M unfiltered to debut. Currently they have 350k charted filtered streams.

Meh we will keep calling 5th gen groups what they are... 5th gen groups. 4th gen is over. Next year it will be 5th gen groups that will top charts, not 4th gen.

They are doing just fine. They do well in Japan + SEA and are shaping up to be YG's first big GG in Japan. Drip was a step in the right direction, BaeMon will only go up.

MooMoos

Why isn't Exo getting mentioned more they are easily the most successful SM bg

I think when a full group comeback finally happens and it is properly promoted, they will establish themselves as the biggest SM act. All SNSD have is popularity in Korea but they aren't more successful imo