This year’s male rookie competition definitely seems like it will be between ZB1 and Pledis NBG.
ZB1 definitely is the strongest candidate for this year.
However, Pledis trainees have gone viral a few times (mainly by attending Seventeen’s concerts). It’s rumoured I-land’s Daniel and ex-Trainee A members are part of this project’s line-up, so expectations are quite high for them.
Kind of excited to see a good competition amongst boy group rookies this year.
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Seventeen is very relevant, you’re just looking at the wrong places if you think they are irrelevant.
Seventeen is not very concentrated in building a Western fanbase, as their targeted markets within Asia.
If you go to SoKor, Japan, or China, that’s where their fanbases is extremely concentrated (you may even add SEA to this, as they rapidly growing their fanbase there too). They do really well on charts and sales there and are one of the only few groups to do so as well. They are always a relevant topic on their side of the forums and platform, and rake up quite a lot of discussion and views for just existing.
If you’re taking AKP as an indicator for relevancy then that’s a very fickle measure, because pre-revamp of AKP, there were a LOT of Carats here. Probably exceeding 60 to 70 if memory serves me right, but one by one they all left due to constant bullying and dragging of Seventeen and moved to other platforms such as Reddit or Twitter, etc. hence, using western forums as an indicator isn’t the best measure of relevance.
5th Gen is just Mnet trying to be special, it’s still 4th Gen as far as I’m aware. Other than Mnet, noone is really considering ZB1 5th generation, unless their debut can shift the vibe the way early 3rd/ 4th generation groups did.
yeah they could easily have done that without the weird zooming in randomly and so fast. like at least show a decent close up of everyone before zoomin in and out and this way and that way, but that's something easily over looked. not a huge deal.
Personally I found the shots very nice, it definitely got the message across which I liked.
It’s personally my favourite mv so for, followed closely by Hot for me.
they ruined my life...... sick music.....bad comebacks....fromhybe....which means they are in the same company as....b....t....s....just not right to me...just my opinion but we cannot let seventeencontinue doing this....
seventeen in their ateez era? song is bad...like not even bad like it's evil bad....sick bad....I don't know we gotta pray for seventeen cause something ain't right.....stuck in that set the whole mv what's going on....what happened to pretty u....evil....sick....sinister music....love them though.....
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The snippet near the end of the song already sounds like SOTY.
I wish I could say any of the things listed here justifies 4 million but it really doesn’t. These are achievements for a successful kpop group no doubt. But nothing here is so extra ordinary that I can be convinced they can shoot up to 4 million.
With these type of stats in my head kpop groups can get like 2-2.5mil sales. More than that well. Idk where the numbers are coming from. Doesn’t mean it’s not legitimate just that I don’t understand where the numbers are coming from in my head lol.
Honestly, that could be said about 1M and 2M sales benchmarks as well that Kpop groups are achieving, and then we all can sit here all day grasping at straws. Though, I get where you’re coming from. However, it’s not that these achievements “justify” their 4M preorder sales, rather it broadens one’s perspective and view on how rapidly they are growing their fanbase and how big they’ve gotten. It’s an indication of their success and growth. There is a reason, Cj&EM had their eyes set on Seventeen, but luckily, Hybe managed to acquire them first.
K-pop has grown tremendously all over the world in these past few years, but same is true for Seventeen.
I know people who don’t keep up with Seventeen often feel shocked, especially on Western side of forums and platforms. No matter what they say, SVT has one of the most organic and steady rises in the industry. They went from 1,400 sales to 20k, to 300k, to 700k, to 1.3M, to 1.7M, to 2M, to 3M, and now 4M and counting.
The Korean industry and media just gave Seventeen a new title, “the Blue Chip,” which is insane, because they are literally implying that Seventeen has established a reputation at national level for their quality, reliability, and ability to generate immense profit regardless of good or bad economic state around them.
Everyone knows that they have a huge following in Korea, China, Japan, and SEA, but I feel like most Western fans don’t realize just how big they are. Just a few days ago, Minghao (The8), was trending 7th on China’s biggest social media platform, Weibo, with 471 million views for just stepping his foot into the country alongside big Chinese household names like Diliriba, Wang Yibo, and various other popular entertainers. Not to mention, digitally, BSS is currently the best selling K-pop act in China this year.
A month or two ago, both Hoshi and Joshua made it onto burj khalifa, and it wasn’t even their birthdays or any promotions. People just had too much money on their hands.
Seventeen fanbase is ever growing despite being 8th year into their career. Their old catalogs just moved over 1.2M copies without them moving a single finger. This is also dependent on the demographic of their fandom, which consists of a lot of older high school students, university students, and employed people. Even Korean Music Content Association (KMCA) critic created a whole YouTube video last month (YT: Seventeen Special by OK POP!) explaining and discussing their ever growing fandom and popularity, which I recommend you watch.
Their subunit, BSS, alone is going crazy on charts currently. They debuted straight into Melon Top 10, peaked at #2, and a few times they even blocked Ditto from a RAK when it was freshly released. Even on the daily kcharts, they ranked in the top5 or top 10 (and on Genie and VIBE daily, they are the male group to breech it so far). The only boy group to have exceeded 1M ULs on melon in 2023, and as of right now it is standing near 1.8M-2M ULs with Fighting on Melon just within 2 months. They are also tied with Ditto for the song with the most music show wins in 2023. Even right now, they haven’t dropped below #15 on Melon top 100 ever since the song’s release. On Goan/Circle chart, Fighting’s digital points are steadily rising towards the 200M margin soon (for a measure, I think the song with the highest points is near 300M-400M— though feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). Even on Melon, I think Fighting is only a couple million streams behind from becoming the most streamed song on Melon in 2023.
In Japan, their subunit topped the Billboard Top 100 with their korean single, and they are the first and only act to have achieved this feat without any accompanying Japanese version. Speaking of Japan, Seventeen literally sold 1M with their J-album, and half a million for their 2022 repackage. Which is absolutely insane considering other than BTS, who’s hitting these numbers? They are also scheduled to play stadiums in Japan this year (more information is yet to be revealed, but it’s most likely the Nissan Stadium or Japan’s National Stadium, which will make them the 2nd act in K-pop history to do so).
Their streaming isn’t bad at all either, as they are the 3rd most streamed boy group and 5th most streamed group overall with 3.3B streams. Hot did exceptionally well last year on both YT and Spotify streams, so it’s expected this comeback will receive even better results. Even Melon, Seventeen has already raked over 100M streams without a single sound this year. I feel like I don’t even have to delve into their tour numbers, because near 600k attendance with just 27 dates just speak for themselves.
Even Going Seventeen, their variety show has been very popular amongst the general public of Korea, and funnily, it literally has its own separate fanbase known as the Cubics. The government even promoted it in Korean embassies last year to promote tourism and culture. A lot of critics and journalists this year have also talked about the show’s success, and how much it gets sponsored by various brands. Not to mention, so many GoSe ads and posters are scattered across Seoul as of right now due to their Don’t Lie series becoming a fan favourite.
In fact, two months ago, there was random play dance done in mall, and the minute Going Seventeen’s theme song came on, people literally went feral— again, over a 10 second theme song.
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Recently, for their up coming, FML album promotions, they opened up “Seventeen Street,” on April 8 at artificial islands located in the Han River, known as Sebit Island, and in just less than 4 days the island has recorded over 50,000 visitors (the numbers have probably doubled by now). This event marked Sebit Island’s first in history of visitors.
It’s only fair, with all this success they are experiencing, they were bound to achieve 4M preorders. They haven’t been ranking high on the IFPI for the past two consecutive years for nothing now.
I could keep going about how successful they have gotten, but then I would go on forever.
Don't think this is a case for religion bcuz I remember talking with him in the same time period last year
Ah, oh interesting.
Though the thing w/ Ramadan is that, according to the Islamic calendar, it’s not fixed like a typical calendar. It‘s always being pushed back by a week or two every year. So last year Ramadan didn’t start in March, but in April-May, this year it’s March-April, so that could be another thing to consider.
